Josh Hawley wants to ban TikTok nationwide. Missouri senator will introduce legislation

We must be talking about something else. Biden a tuition forgiveness is scheduled for the USSC 2/28

 

You don't understand this probably because your culturally illiterate.

It's not that it's Chinese owned it's that the Chinese government exists so it's not like the US where a company like YouTube can be held liable for leaking information that ends up getting someone hurt.

The Chinese government is a maniacal oppressive regime beyond that of Russia. Remember it's actually ethnically cleansing right now as we speak. They are actually holding black slaves in the Congo as we speak.

So what's happening here is if a government employee has a tiktok account they're handing information over to the Chinese government. Because all social media in China is controlled and monitored and closely loosely spygon by the government.

So essentially what you're doing if you sign up for Ted talk and you work for the government you're Eric swalwel.

If you do sign up for tick tock and you are a member of the government you should be brought up on churches of espionage.

Because we're not talking about something that's just a private company owned in China that doesn't exist.

The Constitution doesn't apply there and so the government can influence and even shell a social media company.

 

Ironically after he's no longer eligible to hold office I wonder why he picked that day is it because it's a lie and he doesn't want to tarnish his reputation going into 2024 I bet that's what it is.

If you think a politician cares about you I have a bridge for sale you want to buy it?

 

Last paragraph. Of course I don’t.


Also, didn’t think I needed to add year, but it’s set to be heard in the court 2/28/23.

 

Yeah and the house is going to vote on that and they're going to pass it I'll try not to hold my breath.

Remember the house controls the purse strings so if the Senate wants it and the executive wants it and the house doesn't they have to pull $400 billion dollars out of their ass.

Why don't they teach how our government works to people

 

It’s not a bill. What are you talking about?

 

In order for it to be funded the house has to fund it.

This is basic government stuff why am I having to explain this you should have learned this in 8th grade it at least when pelosi said exactly that after the mid term.

 

What are you talking about. You are completely off base with this. Are we talking about student loan forgiveness?

 

Yeah. In order for it to be funded but the federal government the house has to sign off on it. They won't. Your talking about 400 billion dollars.

 

This is false. 100% false. If the courts rule in favor of the White House, it’s happening.

 

They won't. The house holding the purse strings was decided in 1787 and it has been the constitutional standard since. The supreme court will yet again bitch slap Biden's attempted violation.

It isn't happening.

 

Ok. Keep that thought. But that’s not even what the lawyers are using to challenge with. Since Congress already gave the Sec of Ed authority to modify loan terms.

 

If they can't get the money they can't get the money and that comes from the house.

If the Secretary of education authority decides to go $400 million dollars into the hole it will cease to exist.

It doesn't matter how you tried to play this angle of sneaking around the Constitution you can't get the money.

It isn't going to happen.

 

early phones did not have gps, then they got gps, but could disable it, now can not disable it and location can also be gleamed by wifi access points you're around

 

Cell phones use radio signals that connect to the local tower. The tower refers to the cell term. GPS is a separate service. One can turn off their locator that stops local wifi to connect with the cell phone.

It is illegal for someone to change those settings without permission. Certain apps, when you install are required to ask the cell phone user to allow access to your location and maybe contacts. Ones navigation app will not work if you turn off your location service on your phone.

 

Just because you say it does not make it so. But it is your usual destraction argment when you do not want to deal with something you cannot explain.

Chinese can refer to Ethnicity or nationality. It does not necessarily refer to the Communist Party of China. In China, with some 1.4 billion people, some 100 million belong to the party. Most others don't and as long as they can do what they can do, such as grow food, work and send money to their families, etc, they really don't care. Just ook at trump going after Elaine Chow and calling her

It is not a strawman. It has to do with the 14th amendment, specifically the substantial due process clause. It also has to do with the First amendment that the government cannot restrict free speech or the use of free speech. That is tantamount to our US Constitution and our way of life.

I never said it could, but people have called on the execution of gays, especially certain pastors and members of the Christian faith, quoting the Old Testament. It is within their first amendmet right to do so, but the point is that the government, United States Government or its subdivisions, aka states, cannot impede free speech.

This is a strawman argument. All I am against is not to violate a person's free speech because you don't like where it comes from. This is really not about national security. If it was, the GOP and you would make serious amends to the Patriot Act. But since you are not and you are trying to use a scapegoat, the fearmongering, you are coming up with this crap.

Actually, I do. Perhaps you should look deeper than regurgitating the talking points ot the Freedom Caucus. Use those brain cells in your cranium for once in your life.

No it's not. I know perfectly well what the Chinese Government is capable of. But the reality is that the Chinese government is not going to use TikTok to spy on you. YOu are not that important in the grand scheme of things. AS I said, if you want to make this about national security, make sure that no government devices have ANY social media apps or sites on their phones, those who are executives in the executive branch and members of Congress, and judges have two sets of phones, one for government use, and one for personal use and used ONLY for personal use.

I am not turning anything into racism. I know how people react. We saw this in the pandemic era where people attacked Asians because of the constant drum beat of Anti-Chnese Sentiment. Trump did that as a distraction away from him, and some people fell for it.

Tick tock is about that Chinese government a government who is ethnically cleansing people as we speak collecting information on 13-year-olds so that should we go to war in a couple of years when these 13 year olds are 18 and serving in the military they can blackmail them.[/QUOTE]
TikTok is a social media app. Like all social media apps, it depends how you use it. Are you suggesting The Fat Electrician is a Chinese Communist sympathizer? Or any of the other users on that app? Are you that insipid and opiate?

It also begs the question, blackmailed into what exactly. An E-2 in the US military is not going to have high-security clearances or know any secrets. That is that 18 to 20-year-olds you are speaking of as he tries to lip-sync their favorite songs on TikTok for instance. They can get that info on the military website as we do with the CCP White Paper that is issued every five years or so. The problem you have is you really don't have any idea how true espionage works and the only thing you are doing is repeating what you saw on some damn Tv show. That is all fake. It's entertainment. And yes, it can be fun to watch, but it is not reality,. Somehow, you cannot differentiate between reality and fantasy.

It is not cyber warfare. Actual Cyber warfare is much different. For propaganda, it is not going to come in the form of TikTok unless hearing Chinese songs sung in Chinese is somehow "propaganda" to you.

No, your side is trying to turn this into a culture war. It has been doing this since the 1990s. Let's see, war on Christmas, LGBTQ issues, Islam not being defined as a religion and the list goes on and on. Most of it is all fake outrage, misinformation, disinformation, etc.

 

Son, I have actually been to China a number of times. There are US citizens and westerners still living in China including ex-military personnel. The problem is that your only clue about China is going to Panda Express thinking that is real Chinese food. In Chinese culture, most of what you said is total bunk. You have actually no clue about the culture here. In some ways, they are very similar to us. They love family and they are almost literally workaholics. If you really want to see capitalism in action, go to Shanghai and view all the little stores vying for customers there. They value education to the point of religion. We value any education as an afterthought. They literally don't complain about the hand they are dealt with. And they love sports, especially basketball and football, aka soccer. In their culture, saving face is tantamount, and will say yes even though yes does not always means yes. And there are quite a number of things. As long as the government allows them to do what they love to do, send money back home, etc., they really don't care. They love our entertainment culture and that is how most learn to speak English. They just don't get all of our euphuisms.

The CCP has existed since the 1920s or so, after the Qing Dynasty fell. There were two groups vying for power. The KMT and the communist party. The KMT and the Communist Party did come together once, and that was to drive out the Japanese from their homeland from the 1930s to 1945. After WW2, they again fought for control. KMT lost and KMT was a warlord type of society in which Chaing Kay Chek wanted to be the new emperor. Eventually, Mao Tse Tung won and the KMT went to Formosa, aka Taiwan. Even there, families living in Taiwan still have close ties to their relatives living in China. China views Taiwan as a breakaway province and is still emphasizing the one China, Two Systems policy. That policy can be tenuous at times, especially if we sell Taiwan military equipment to defend themselves. Other than that, it is politics that has existed since the 1980s. But it was the one of the few things that I liked what Nixon did, opening up to China. And China is one big consumer market. It saved GM's arse in 2007.

The rest of your post is pure nonsense. Spoken like a child in anger because he did something wrong and wants to blame everyone else. It is also acting more like a Marxist-Leninist when you make statements that if you are a member of the government and are on TikTok, you should be brought up on charges. So much for your loyalty to the US Constitution. It doesn't exist at all for you.

 

I don't care that you went to China you don't know anything about it. I think this is a good move.

And you absolutely utterly failed at persuading the otherwise.

 

the fact is I have been to China. I have a general understanding of its culture and how the people view us, Westerners. I also know how they know our culture which can get into some awkward moments talking to your wife and she wants to go to a Playboy store in town and then asks me what I know about it. To be honest, and the simple fact is, I probably know more about Chinese culture than you do. That is not sayming much about me, but it is saying a hell of a lot about you and your lack true knowledge of what China is and is not. Yes, the CCP controls the government, but it does not control its people per say. there are just factors and circumstances that you simply do not and will never understand because of your judgemental attitude.

 

so what? Being a tourist somewhere doesn't give you any kind of extra knowledge.

blather about culture is distracting from the topic.

you're knowledge of this is of no relevance whatsoever to the topic.

I said absolutely nothing whatsoever about the culture of China I couldn't possibly care less because it's not related to the subject in any way.

yeah I'm sure apologists for the Nazi regime back in the 1930s and 40s took the exact same thing.

I'm not interested in how much you want to bow before another government. I'm interested in keeping our government from being subject to them.

 

Why? Power and control have been the main goal of politicians for as long as I can remember. If they won't agree to a term limit then vote them out of office.

 

A. Never said it was. But the point is that what you see on the internet about any particular country is not the same as experiencing it yourself.
B. My knowledge is of relevance here. You just cannot come up with something as you search the internet for a response. That is why I gave you what I gave. Unless you read a book without any political implications or view a YT Travel Channel without any political implications, you won't know and never will.
C. Culture is very much part of being Chinese from China or anywhere else in SE Asia. They all have generalized customs, but they also customs specific that is unique to their country. It appears you never traveled abroad for one reason or another. That is a shame.
D. No one is apologizing for the CCP. I know what they are capable of. But I also know that they are not too concerned with "peasants" like you and me even if we travel there. The irony is that economically, we have a lot in common. Politically, we are as far apart as ever, much like Vietnam, a popular destination for expats to live now because it is relatively cheap to live there. But it is still communist much like China.
E. When you travel to any country, no matter the government, the only interaction you are going to have is with their own immigration officers. That is it. Even in China. And when I was there, I had very little interaction with them, even at the bank when I needed to exchange money for RMD. I usually got better rates there than ATM machines, plus I avoid international transaction fees. Now, if you want to make a fool of yourself and be a complete nuisance, then be my guest. And the US embassy is not going to help you no matter who is president.
F. There are very few countries I will travel. One is NOT China, but ONE is North Korea. The other is Russia right now because of the war, not to mention Ukraine for the very same reason. And there may be one or two others out there that I will never Travel too. But it is not because of the type of government, it is other factors that are involved.

 

A. Don't care one bit that you had a vacation in China it has nothing to do with this subject.
B. You don't have any knowledge because you went on a trip.
C. No it's not relevant.
D. So you're just distracting with stories of your trip?

I'd be interested in hearing about it but it isn't relevant to the topic.

E. I still don't see any relevance you vacation has. If you want to talk about it start a thread in travel. This is about TikTok not tourism.

F. Not interested.

 

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This is actually a smart move. The best way to pander to his base is hatred. It's the very foundation of his party. TikTok has ties to China? Banned.