Future Failure - Florida high school students to launch lawsuit over rejection of AP African America

You did but you did not read that the section you posted relates to EMPLOYMENT and not CURRICULUM.

The text states that as a condition of employment no individual should be made to undergo any state mandated licensing, training, etc that declares that the individual being employed should FEEL DISCOMFORT, GUILT, ANGUISH or DISTRESS on account of their race, color, sex, etc.

This would mean the state cannot inflict that on the employee as a condition of their employment.

 

No problem... although know those aren't the exclusive reasons....

 

Similar to BLM from their website

Black liberation movements in this country have created room, space, and leadership mostly for Black heterosexual, cisgender men — leaving women, queer and transgender people, and others either out of the movement or in the background to move the work forward with little or no recognition. As a network, we have always recognized the need to center the leadership of women and queer and trans people. To maximize our movement muscle, and to be intentional about not replicating harmful practices that excluded so many in past movements for liberation, we made a commitment to placing those at the margins closer to the center.

They call it "intersectionality"
Intersectionality - Wikipedia
But its not the product of "Some white leftist elite" But Kimberlee Crenshaw a woman of color. Its about how to be a victim on many different levels. Best I can figure, if you are a black, poor, immigrant, transgender lesbian woman youve reached peak victimhood status.

 

Did you notice the absence of the word parent anywhere in the verbiage at the link or what you quoted?
And its relatively simple to search the entire text at
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/148/BillText/Filed/HTML
for all 8 uses of the word parent and realize youre just peeing on our leg as you tell us its raining.

 

https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/148/BillText/Filed/HTML

8 uses of the word parent. You are full of it.

...review and monitor school assesents of... parental satisfaction;
...parent involvement, and school safety.

student and parent rights.—Parents of public school students must receive accurate and timely information....

students and their parents are afforded numerous statutory rights

student whose parent makes written request to the school principal shall be exempted from the teaching of reproductive health or any disease, including HIV/AIDS,

district’s website homepage, notify parents of this right and
the process to request an exemption. The homepage must include a link for a student’s parent to access and review

 

An author that is required reading states her work is CRT. It's only silly leftist apologists who say "CRT is only taught in law schools." That is the dumbest argument ever. The law is one example of where CRT theorists claim racism is at play, thus is sometimes taught in law school. But, CRT is not solely about the law. It's about society. You know this. We know you know that you know this. So all this pretending is kinda silly.

 

Really? Have you read it?

The chattering class had already committed to that narrative by the time a draft of the AP framework leaked. It starts innocuously enough, with topics on Africa’s linguistic diversity and the history of the Songhai Empire. But keep reading until Unit 4, which includes:

• “The Reparations Movement,” a topic that “explores the case for reparations,” in which students “may examine House Bill H.R. 40 and a text by Ta-Nehisi Coates.”

• “Movements for Black Lives,” which “explores the origins, mission, and global influence of the Black Lives Matter movement,” some of whose adherents have called for the abolition of prisons and police.

• “Black Queer Studies,” which “explores the concept of the queer of color critique, grounded in Black feminism and intersectionality, as a Black studies lens that shifts sexuality studies toward racial analysis.”

• “‘Postracial’ Racism and Colorblindness,” which “explores concepts such as postracialism, colorblindness, racecraft, or inequality.”

• “Intersectionality and Activism,” which “examines intersectionality as an analytical framework and its connection to Chicana and Asian American feminist thought.” Students “may explore a text” by Kimberlé Crenshaw, whose official Columbia Law School bio says that her work is “foundational in critical race theory.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ron-de...race-theory-11674831789?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

 

The Encyclopedia Britianica was as were writers who were closer to actual events in time. My huge public library was. What about the history changed? What didn't I learn?

 

Yes have you read it?

Here is the link to the actual bill text
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/7/BillText/er/PDF
As from
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/7/?Tab=BillText

Give me the line number you are speaking of.

 

Ironically, it doesn't say the case "for and against" reparations. It's political indoctrination and not they're not even trying to hide it.

 

I don't know, I have read the lawsuit. The AP course in question is a collaboration of the Advance Placemen and the College Board organizations. Some 40 schools were selected for this program class in AP studies. AP Studies are important for scholars who can achieve full academic rides in higher educational institutions during the course of their study. And it appears one or more Florida high schools were selected.

That being the case, AP in Black Studies is an interdisciplinary course. It involves government, social studies, psychology, etc for these studies from a different point of view. And if someone wants to use AP courses for this because that is their field, then it is what the lawsuit says and not what Gov DeSantis says.

From the legal side, what they may be doing is challenging the Constitutionality of the Stop Woke Act under the 14th amendment, particularly the substantial due process clause. If the state cannot prove that the class is detrimental to the few exceptions under the substantial due process, then the state will lose, probably all the way to the Supreme Court. I don't think this will go into state court though. But we shall see.

 

Well maybe you are talking to future adults that may want to go back to high school like that 29-year-old woman attempted to do in New Jersey.

 

Do you understand how the report card works here. For starters, Florida was just below the national average composite score. Second, 36% are proficient in 12 grade for reading and 72% at basic reading level or above. Although Florida is not statistically different from the national average, look at the top five states and see what the common thread is here. I will give you a clue, it has nothing to do with politics or wokeness.

 

It looks like you showed me a part of the bill that does not comport to what you are saying. The part you keep showing is dealing with teachers and training, not students or parents. So it’s not banned, and you don’t have anything that says it was banned.

 

The factsbi presented were based around the outlandish and ridiculous post that Florida is full of meth addicts.

Nothing was ever said about politics or wokeness. You made that up to argue against it.

 

I never said about wokeness or anything else. The fact is, according to your own link, Florida is just below the national average. Those who are proficient at reading is 36%. that is not very high. Those who meet the basic skills in reading is 72%. That is your own damn link. Now, look at the states that are doing better. It is in the report right there why they are so high or above the national average. And it has nothing to do with wokeness or anything else. That is literally what I said.

 

Reading the lawsuit won't do anything with regard to state law, state educational frameworks and so on. There is also nothing about your rationale for AP studies, college entrance or even college credits that would need this particular course to satisfy anything. Also it being a collaboration between those two organizations determines exactly zero with regard to state guidelines, requirements etc.

A high school offer a fully array of AP classes, even collaboration with local community colleges and more to provide all manner of credits, scholarship opportunities and more and this class is not necessary in any form or fashion for any of that.

There's no disparate impact. There is no way to prove that any college in the entire would have admitted a student because of this course vs another AP course.

That is exactly backwards. There is nothing about private business that dictates to K-12 education at the state level. Your reasoning amounts to if McDonalds demands the kids get Big Macs, then the state has to provide them. That wouldn't be true of the teacher demanded them, the principal or anyone else. Educational frameworks, guidelines are all determined at the state level. Schools get to make choices from approved lists at their local level. If 25 different companies submit and 5 are approved then the districts, teachers and so on can select from those approved vendors. This is common knowledge, and done everywhere.

Wow this is the sort of thing you read when someone declares they are educated but apparently aren't very smart.

If a private company cannot offer this particular course with their particular curriculum then exactly what has been deprived in terms of due process? No college is using this course for admission criteria. No high school is requiring it for graduation. It is highly unlikely you could even produce a study that declared as an example that if a graduating high school senior only manage to acquire 12 college units vs AP classes vs say 15 units that they would be less likely to graduate from college.

BTW you could claim a point if this were some unique of special circumstance but every other curricular area in every other field goes through this exact process and requirement. The English, Spanish, History classes and AP classes all must offer a state approved curriculum and additionally not all states have the same requirements. Certain curriculum could be approved in 40-45 other states and still not be approved for California, Texas or what have you. There's nothing wrong with that at all. It's all above board and legal.

This lawsuit will generate a few headlines and be tossed out of court. It's a no brainer, and no winner.

 

I'm unaware of any legal requirement for a state to approve every AP course that is created. Can you cite it?

 

If I didn't say anything about politics or wokeness, why did you?

 

that would depend on how they file the lawsuit. If their constitutional rights are violated, then it is no longer in the state courts, but federal courts. And that is a totally different argument. Crump is notorious for filing federal lawsuits claiming substantial due process violations, among other things. And he is one of the lawyers leading this fight.

But that would determine if Constitutional rights were violated or allegedly violated.

Private universities and schools are not subject to the whims of the governor here They do not have to follow the same guidelines. That is why private businesses and schools have more flexibility than traditional public schools. Hence why the lawsuit to begin with? However, under the Anti-Woke Act and the Anti-Gay Act that was passed, it applies to both under state law. And in essence, dictates to tthe state board to disregard any and all federal guidelines and laws on the subject. But in private schools, they can teach a world view different what taught in public schools, and they can accept students based on the charter of the school and financial aid if they offer it. Some do and some do not. Those that do not are going to accept students whose parents cannot afford it. But in public schools, they accept you no matter what. It just a question of where to place you: remedial, standard, or honors, aka gifted and accepted students.

Finally, you are making a false analogy with the Mcdonald's argument here. No one is focing a person to take AP African American Studies if the student is in the AP program,. It is by choice. For high school diplomas, you just have to have a certain amount of credits in science, government, history, english, and math. Then you have a number of electives to take to make the minimum number of credits to graduate with that diploma along with your community service. And that is it. This class is not a requirement for AP students. It is in fact an elective. But it is important because it could decide which college the student may go to if they take this class and further their education in the field that deals with this. Again, this class is an interdisplinary class. Any type of studies on women, African Americans, Hispanic, etc usually has multi-facets to it.

LOL, says the person who is a legend only in his own mind. Again, the lawsuit has not been filed. But with Crump in there, my suspicion is that it will be in Federal Court, not state court. In Federal Court, DeSantis will have to defend it using federal Constitutional standards. So far, all the lawsuits have failed because they argued it violated the state constitution. However, for federal lawsuits, the students do have standing to make the claim, and if they can use a violation of the US Constitution as their base. And that is why I said it will go to federal court in my opinion.

The students are in the state of Florida, in the city or town where their parents live. The parents do not have money to send them off to St. Johns in Minnesota for instance, with room and board to boot. At best your argument is spacious, and absolute naivety at the least. Again, the anti-woke act and the anti-gay act will further keep the education in an indoctrinated viewpoint more so than what AP Black Studies will do.

Not every other area goes through this process. It does not in my state at least. and I live in Texas. The TEA does not approve of the curriculum of private organizations. They do it only with public schools. Private schools have their own accreditation standards. For many Christian schools here, it is the ASCI certification. For them to get approved for a high school diploma, they just have to meet the same requirements for graduation as everyone in public school according to the state standards, And the state standards follow the federal standards for basic high school graduation. But the TEA and the SBOE here focus what is on the classroom in public schools. And even they tried to change slavery into "involuntary relocation" and other such nonsense. It was rejected for now and further study. Even private schools, religious private schools are rejecting what the state is trying to do here.

It appears you don't know much about how education or the US Constitution works, and you call yourself smart? Not a chance in hell

 

Crump is not notorious for filing lawsuits of this nature. In fact I'd argue he is far out of his element since he basically chases cases that involve police and excessive force.

Can you even begin to pretend to articulate what right you imagine has been violated even as a hypothetical? As you note yourself ths is an elective class. Your argument is akin to saying that if a school offers basketball and not pickleball as an elective then kids won't get to college or won't graduate or whatever other nonsense you are attempting to claim here. It's so ridiculous I can't really help you very much.

You claim to have read the legislation. The legislation specifically addresses what sort of curriculum the state board may recommend. If the private schools and universities do not worry about such concerns then it does not effect them. Case closed. This is why while being insulting I stated what I did about your arguments. You're literally citing this as some sort of point for your case when it undermines it. The legislation in question deals with recommended curriculum. This is about an AP class curricular offering for public schools.

There are no federal guidelines demanding that high schools offer this type of AP class. Additionally you seem to conflate and are confused about certain aspects of the law. Telling an employer they can't guilt you about your race isn't exactly demanding they educate you a certain way akin to a public school. It's no different than any other workplace protection.

Again you undermine your own argument. If private schools can do this, then the governor is not overstepping his bounds. The legislation in question only deals with what sort of criteria the state board applies to curriculum it recommends to public schools.

Are you trying to claim a constitutional violation of a public school student cannot have the money follow them to a private school? I'm sure you'd be DeSantis favorite person if you could win that court case. Not only would you destroy public education, he'd get to tie requirements with that money to follow to private schools as well. It would be a two-fer win.

Again you are literally chasing your own tail at this stage. Crump is apparently going to file and win a federal lawsuit claiming deprivation of Constitutional rights if you cannot take.... your preferred elective which coincidentally, and you specifically note this too, is not a requirement for any students nor even AP students. What you fail to follow with is no college is using it for application criteria or as grounds for acceptance. The class literally changes nothing.

Violation in what regard, pretend to humor us mere non-legends and pontificate on how an elective deprives one of their due process rights or any other rights.

You've strung some words together but at this point you've gone from chasing your tail to just barking.

How can you be so dense here? You literally declare that the TEA only applies to public schools and up above try to argue that Florida is dictating what private schools can teach and then go on some strange rant about sending kids out of state and so on.

Public schools must pick their curriculum from the list approved by the TEA. If a curriculum is not approved then they cannot pick it. That is all that has happened in Florida. You literally state this as plan as possibly but don't seem to understand it in any regard.

I've got an advanced degree in this particular field. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

 

That AP African American Studies course is basically just a course that teaches hate and resentment towards caucasians, authority figures, LEO institutions, and the United States. Mixing terrorist dogma like Black Lives Matter and advocating for activism that results in violence instead of using common avenues of free speech and political debate is obscene. Most concerning is that the program and reading materials is written and inspired by marxist and communist authors. The course is merely doing what Mussolini and Hitler, and that is to Italianize/Germanize the philosophy so it is racially, nationally, and/or ethnically distinct from those groups they see as their enemy. It's shameful that the African American is going down this path.

 

This is what happens when people like to reinterpret the Constitution and federal law to suit their needs. They're not sure how the law was violated, but they'll search for a sentence in an unrelated law to attempt to parse out a bullshit excuse to get what they want from the courts. Nobody is citing a law, it's just a lot of "ifs." If there is no law saying students have the right to take every AP course ever created then it is a state issue and not a federal one. And, the state says this course has no educational value and is a waste of time for the students who are trying to receive an education rather than an indoctrination.

 

If that's the case on here then I'm gonna have extra questions

 

This is the problem with the sheep who believe whatever Mass Media tells them. All they see is oppression because that is what Media told them to believe without actually learning the facts. If they knew what was actually being taught, they would be horrified instead of angry.