How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

In your opinion, which means about as much to me as festering bowl of dog snot.

 

Balderdash! I am not a liberal so stop farting out crap. I am a member here just like you how can I censor your right to post. Get real.

 

Nope, you're a filthy liberal if you disagree with him and the Russian government! I'm pretty sure you also have to believe that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump and that Democrats are baby-eating Satan worshipers.

 

Well of course!,,,,,,,,

 

objectivity and facts ARE already there in the FACTS: no russian vessel can get out of the Gulf of Finland or Kaliningrad without being spotted and watched in everything it is doing. Simple as that.
Bornholm is a danish island located in the narrower part of the Baltic already. The Baltic is as much scrutinized as Gibraltar or Hormuz straits and even more since the start of the war in Ukraine. NATO is constantly watching.
These are the facts.
Nobody can provide any evidence collected from the seabed because nobody excepted NATO can do it, it is locked. Clues are so many included former statements of Biden that all together a judge would pronounce a sentence with less evidence than that.

Russia wanted to keep the option that things could evolve more positively with Germany, so to keep a working pipe was obvious. They control the faucet and that's all needed. Russia hasn't done it and all the others around are NATO or semi-NATO (SV, FI) so NATO did it.

The real question is something else: was the destruction of the pipe planned together with Germany or not. It's plausible that this was a NATO decision taken WITH Germany. NATO countries are not democracies: they are opaque to the citizens, who are never informed or told about key decisions and plans taken by the elites.

 

Even a "watched" Russian vessel might manage to plant an explosive, and that is but one of many ways it might have been accomplished.

If you're interested in facts, you're only interested in those you cherry-pick. Cf. confirmation bias, mein Freund.

 

You didn’t really expect any country to disclose that they are about to do something that controversial.

 

So .. the one parrots complete nonsense "Russia did it" is interested in facts .. rather than cherry picked confirmation bias .. gleaned from Biden "State Department" aka CLA -- central Lie Agency..

Thats rich mate... and a bit priceless. Regardless .. we have "The Facts" from Hersh .. did you not get the memo ?

 

Putin may have started the war and has contributed to way too many human rights abuses amongst all the slaughtered innocent civilians, but Biden's administration is guilty of being war mongers themselves leading us towards WWIII.

I find it ironic that the peaceful loving Democrats on this board actually advocate expanding warfare to solve the issue with Ukraine as opposed to resolutions. Both sides are lying to our faces and the sheep defend their sheep masters.

 

Now you are talking some sense ... This latest terrorist attack .. and direct act of war against Russia almost demands escalation. Putin has to respond with something to save face. Blue is the new Neocon for sure but, Red are still the old neocons .. so we just have everyone on board the neocon train now ... sans a few hold-outs such as Tulsi Gabbard, Rand Paul .. and the 13 other in Congress who co-signed the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act"

Quite the change from the Bush administration --- "We will not only go after the terrorists but the supporters of terrorism" --- remember that ? Now of 435 in the house .. all but 13 want to continue arming Terrorist groups Al Qaeda and ISIS.

When Rand Paul introduced the Bill to the Senate he got a total of ZERO co-signers.

Tis not in the disagreement where the devil is found .. but where they agree.

 

.. First you need take massive log out of own eye .. and then improve your ability to distinguish between opinion and fact.

It is a fact that Mr. Hersh has a long track record of outing Gov't crimes .. in each case our Gov't lying .. in each case Hersh turning out to be right. A real hero to the people is Seymour Hersh.

Kind of a slam dunk is this one .. Hersh will be right again .. Biden blew up the line.

 

Yet, I still think Russia attacking a non-threatening nation like Ukraine, no matter how corrupt their government, is an act of war against NATO and the United States interests there.

 

What does that have to do with USA being the biggest terrorist Nation and Biden Blowing up the Nord ?

 

Again, false. You need to get away from whatever wingnut propaganda is radicalizing your thinking like this. Crack a window. Go outside.

 

It doesn't because the U.S. isn't a terrorist nation by any standard.

 

You have things completely backwards and upside down Dayton .. The US is a terrorist nation by almost every standard .. blowing up the Nordstream being the latest act in a long sordid story.

Kind of hard to believe you were a History teacher .. but didn't know about the US engaging in Terror .. thats a big F when grading the teacher.

Harder to believe you didn't know this given you are a big Fan of Rotten Ronnie ... who engaged our nation in massive amounts of some of the most horrific acts of terror .. acts in which you have defended our involvement .. such as the rape - torture and murder of US nuns in the carnage in Central America. Justified or not justified - does not change the fact that these were acts of terror .. slaughter of whole villages .. separating women and children .. then executing them .. the most gruesome acts .. dragging children over barbed wire "until flesh hung from bone" in front of their parents .. these death squads trained in terror by the US at the "School of the America's "

Did you forget Dayton ? We discussed this at length .. and numerous other acts of Terror by the beloved Rotten Ronnie

 

Here is Putin saying he will cut off supply.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/putin-blames-germany-west-nord-stream-1-shutdown-2022-09-07/

Then Putin blew it up because the blackmarket cut him out of the loop, and continued supplying his enemies as long as were going by hearsay.

 

So will you rely on anonymous sources or not? What's your consistent stance?

 

Question:

Did Biden say this?
“The idea that we're going to send in tanks to Ukraine, that's called World War III,”"
YES! Then, a few months later, Biden sends tanks. BIDEN LIED!

Did that Pulitzer prized winning Journalist show that Biden authorized the the sabotage of the Nord II pipeline?
YES!

Thus, I think your love for the Democratic party is so resolute that you will believe any and all lies their propaganda has told you to believe.

I am against both political parties as they are both equally corrupt, but the Democrats scream so loud it is easy to call out their sheep.

 

Again....no irrefutable evidence NATO/US destroyed the pipes.

 

You sure are obsessed with these one off incidents @Gifteddone

 

Speaking of "sheep," your Biden quote is fake news. Why did your sources re-write Biden's actual quote? Hint: in order to fool you, and you fell for it. Why did your sources lie to you about what he actually said?

 

• Really? When did Joe Biden send U.S. tanks to the Ukraine?

 

No, he did not.

Nope.

Are you not able to think critically? How can you fail to fact-check a claim like that fake Biden quote? How can you think that a story written in the guise of an article offering no facts and no credible sources has somehow shown that Biden had anything to do with the pipeline attack?

 

I think we've sent some Abrams tanks or are planning to do so, but regardless, the quote is fake. That's not actually what he said.