The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

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    A new industry might show up to covert failed EV cars back into Gas run cars.

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    Jo Nova

    The not-so-sustainable EV’s that have to be written off after a scratch

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    March 23, 2023

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    Save the world with disposable EV’s?

    After children in the Congo have dug out the cobalt for the blessed batteries we’d hope the cars would be sustained as long as possible. Alas, apparently there is just one more design flaw on top of the low mileage, delays, expense, spontaneous fires, and the need for a whole new grid.

    After a minor accident, no one quite knows how to assess the safety of the battery, so it’s easier to throw it away.

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    This is why governments needs to bugger off as they created this mess as the Market and the people were not ready for it.
     
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    It’s kinda almost unrelated but have you been seeing all the shows on TV with military brass and many, many fighter pilots and police officers and chiefs and politicians seeing and talking about UFOs? There are some videos of pilot camera shots of UFOs doing the most impossible accelerations, turns, and other things we can’t explain. My question is what do you think about all this. Do you believe there is something there that should be studied and published?
     
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    This baloney has been building since 2007. Now I guess we get to see what happens when the hard place of climate zealotry meets the rock of reality.

    Buckle up. No one knows where this is going for sure, but barring something like a sane Supreme Court ruling, it could get ugly fast.
     
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    Expert Warns: Cars Soon Unaffordable To 50% Of Germans! “Huge Social Conflict”… Idiotic, Singular Policy”
    By P Gosselin on 12. April 2023

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    Ideological green policies are tearing Germany’s economy apart

    In an interview, Prof. Kurt Lauk, former economic council head and automobile manager, warns half of Germans “will no longer be able to afford a car.” Socially explosive…”a disgrace”.

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    Green policies are currently driving German industry into a wall at 300 km/hr. Image cropped here.

    He also warns of a rapid demolition of Germany’s economic backbone: the automotive industry.

    Story at Pleiteticker here.

    “It is a disgrace what is sitting in the chair of Ludwig Erhard or Graf Lambsdorff. The hostility to technology coming from the Ministry of Economics is unbearable. Everywhere where we are or were world market leaders, we have gone about abolishing it,” Lauk said in an interview . It is the “worst thing that could happen” for German industry.

    “For several years now, we have been working hard to destroy this competitive advantage of German industry or to hand it over to other nations. We now have ‘economic heads’ sitting in the Ministry of Economics who have no other professional qualifications,” Lauk added.

    Lauk says Germany’s technological advantages are now in jeopardy because the backbone of Germany’s economy and driver of innovation is the country’s automotive industry. “This is where most of the jobs are.”

    150 years of technological experience “thrown away”

    “The technological advantage of German carmakers through 150 years of experience with the combustion engine, transmissions etc. is being recklessly abandoned, Lauk said. “We are throwing away our competitive advantage and adopting the ‘Chinese drive’. Because 80 per cent of the battery drives come from China. That means China has driven us up against the wall in a strategic situation. And with our naivety, we didn’t realize what was happening.”

    Unaffordable for the bottom 50%

    Lauk warns that because of e-cars being considerably more expensive than conventional combustion engine vehicles: “The bottom fifty percent of the income pyramid will no longer be able to find a vehicle for less than 40,000 euros.” and thus this group will see significantly restricted mobility.

    Tinder dry social powder keg of the haves and have nots

    “Today you can get a cheap, suitable vehicle for 15,000, 18,000 or 20,000 euros. That will no longer be the case. We are running into a huge social conflict with this idiotic, singular policy to drive with electric batteries.”
     
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    - why do people buy EVs?

    So far, they are buying EVs because they like them. There are advantages such as that they are cheaper to fuel, cheaper to maintain, clean, fun to drive, etc.

    You can't claim that the world is so concerned about climate change that they are spending a few tens of thousands of dollars to buy a product that they don't otherwise even want.

    EVs are a solution to the healthcare expenses born by individuals and government agencies that come from burning oil on our city streets. This is an important enough issue to justify government encouragement, as government as well as individuals pay these healthcare costs. Even just reducing smog has long been a valid political objective.

    - electric grid

    Our electric grid has needed upgrading for a LONG TIME. The constant opponents of investing in our infrastructure are Republicans. Now, you want to claim that our future is crippled due to infrastructure?? Sorry. That is just too weak.

    This is NOT some new problem and it DOES need to be solved, even if one disregards future energy needs. Our system is fragile to natural and human assault, including international assault. It doesn't support rational load sharing. It is unduly expensive to ship electricity. It is not always friendly to accepting energy from individuals.

    - home solar

    Technology and prices are leading to an increase in homes solving their own energy needs and becoming significantly less dependent of the grid. Right wingers should LOVE that kind of freedom.

    This is a direction that is a financial opportunity. There are companies that will put solar on your home for FREE if you will share the cost savings with them.
     
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    Seriously? You do know the modern EV is now about 35 years old don't you? And they're up to, what? A 5 or 6 % market share largely due to government subsidies to wealthy people who can afford a car who's sole purpose is commuting to work? Because as a multifaceted vehicle platform capable of being intensly useful in an number of ways an EV is quite simply incapable of coming close to competing with ICE which has literally raised the standard of living for the whole world in the last century+.

    But I'm sure that you really don't have any understanding of anything that technical. Just tired progressive political tropes.

    And now Biden has turned loose the EPA to force manufacturers to produce EVs that most people don't want at the expense of ICE vehicles that haven't lost any of their affordability and usefulness. Bad things happen when the government starts to dictate market success and failure.

    Google the Trabant to see how that works out. And then buckle up as EPA forces automakers to offer 60% of their vehicles as EVs.

    I'm just glad I've got solid ICE vehicles while they're still affordable.
     
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    I don't believe you are making ANY sense here - technically or economically.

    The Trabant is an example of specifications that aren't interesting today, though there are a lot of SmartCars, Minis and other cars that are fun to drive for groceries or shorter commutes.

    I don't believe you have JACK to say about history that is of value in today's market. The biggest historic event was the near collapse of Ford and GM when they totally ignored what Americans want - and foreign companies DID listen.

    I'm fine with people not trashing the cars they have. In fact, we could be farther away than 2030 from having EVs that address all the preferences and tasks that ICE vehicles perform today.

    We're already seeing ICE manufacturers losing sales, due to again not having the products people want. 2022 actuals looked pretty bad for a lot of ICE companies. This year will be far harder on them as they struggle in Europe, China, Australia, besides America.

    The EPA MIGHT speed that up, but that's the way the world is going, regardless of the EPA, Biden, or what not.
     
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    How many cars are sold globally each year?
    Worldwide car sales grew to around 67.2 million automobiles in 2022, up from around 66.7 million units in 2021.Mar 29, 2023

    International car sales 2022 - Statista
     
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    Tesla was the most profitable car manufacturer in the USA in 2022.
     
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