Trump, newly charged, urges defunding Justice Department and FBI

Oh hell no. The labor department and IRS are regulatory agencies. People do violate the law and they are there to prevent that in a regulatory enviornment. CIA and NSA are security agencies, namely for threats against the government, which should now include you and whatever group you belong to. CIA does not offically operate on US soil by statute, at least with its operations. FBI is a law enforcement agency. The DOJ is one of the original four agencies set forth by the US Constituiton. The EPA helps protect the environment. I don't know about you, but I want clean water, even if I want to go swimming in a lake or river and don't want your dung flowing downstream to where I am at. Department of education is mostly an administrative agency and does not control any school or dictate what they should do or not do. It mainly provides loans and grants to those who want to further their education beyond the secondary level.

Patriot Act can be revised in that the Act can still be effective, but not as intrusive as it currently is.

The example you gave is purely a communist tactic. It is obvious you are no patriot, and completely UnAmerican in your thoughts. The irony of the statement, "going full Pinochet" is that our own CIA installed him in the 1970s to prevent the spread of Communism in that country.

 

I don't think this cull is getting these ideas from Fox News or Newsmaxx. Alex Jones maybe, definitely social media in Rumble or some other ultra-conservative social media platform that makes Truth Social look ultra-liberal, but not Fox News.

 

Trump has been in office for 4 years and he has not had any FBI agents arrested....

None.

And he even appointed as director Wray, who was Comey's deputy for years.

Do you have another conspiracy to explain this?

 

I don't need to ask him.

I know very well that Trump has no cause and that he tells these cultists anything to maintain conspiracy theories that serve him politically.

The MAGA's believe everything he says without him providing any evidence.

And you are one of those people.

 

The idea was never to 'defund' in a vacumn, but to move the resources around, hire experts in mental health, juvenile pschology, crowd control,substance abuse specialist, etc so that protocals are consistent with best practice, and police on the front lines were not forced to be everything, know everything based on one yearly one hour seminar. But the obvious objection was from budget perspective. Where is all this extra money coming from to pay for all these experts? We won't need as much money in traditional law enforcement if we are having others with more experience responding to some of these calls or assisting via phone, preventing repeat and time consuming interactions.

If you have the right person writing the protocal, and the right person as a resource for the beat cop to consult on the scene, you may resolve the problem with less escalation the first time someone is called to deal with Joe Smith who is having a schizophrenic episode in the middle of a busy street. Escalation = time and labor waste/ . Repetition =time and labor waste. Therein lies some savings to apply to a staffing shortfall.

 

That is true. But conservatives are not interested in the details or the merits. Oh hell, they don't want to honestly talk about it either. And that is the saddest part of it all. At least the police chiefs are willing if you can meet in some middle ground. I know the Dallas PD listened to the BLM to get rid of the 72-hour period in which investigators can talk to police in a shooting incident. That was a start for accountability, and Amber Guyger was the first to experience what that was like so she could not get her "story straight" and have that "thin blue line" protect her at any and all costs. Sad situation, but she knew what she was doing though that night.

 

Do you think abusing FISA law, the unlawful surveillance of US citizens by the FBI was the right way?

My point above stands and it is completely understandable why Trump would want the FBI defunded.

 

Mistakes yes, abuse no. Even Horowitz approved two of the FISA warrants and did not approve the other two. The judge in this case, does not question warrants. No judge does in federal system or in the state system. And these types of warrants are used ALL THE TIME if there is enough evidence. Even the GOP-led Senate committee confirmed that the FBI and DOJ had the authority to use the FISA warrant system based on what was presented at that time.

Yeah, let's look at that point in more detail. You are fine with GOP if they are convicted murderers, convicted felons, convicted child rapists, or convicted of anything as long as they vouch and pledge loyalty to Trump, the new God in the GOP. Everyone else has completely different rules and god forbid a Democrat jaywalked once in his life and therefore should not be allowed to run for officer ever. Different rules for different folks, or Do as I say and not as I do argument from the GOP and like-minded conservatives.

 

If something is found to be illegal, as was the FBI's FISA warrants that unlawfully targeted the Trump campaign and adviser Carter Page during the Russia collusion probe, it's the very definition of an ABUSE of power.

 

We let trump pick his own AG and fbi director and it did nothing to curb the whining

 

And the guy who broke the law was convicted

 

Check, but note it's not just one guy from the FBI who abuses their power.
Court Ruling Shows How FBI Abused NSA Mass Surveillance (theintercept.com)

"THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE Surveillance Court found that the FBI may have violated the rights of potentially millions of Americans — including its own agents and informants — by improperly searching through information obtained by the National Security Agency’s mass surveillance program.
U.S. District Court Judge James E. Boasberg, who serves in the District of Columbia and the FISA court, made his sweeping and condemnatory assessment in October 2018 in a 138-page ruling, which was declassified by the U.S. government this week."

“These opinions reveal devastating problems with the FBI’s backdoor searches, which often resembled fishing expeditions through Americans’ personal emails and online messages.”
To longtime critics of the government’s mass surveillance program, the FBI’s abuses are confirmation that federal law enforcement agents are combing through the communications of Americans without warrants, in violation of Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.

“These opinions reveal devastating problems with the FBI’s backdoor searches, which often resembled fishing expeditions through Americans’ personal emails and online messages,” said Patrick Toomey, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project. “But the court did not go nearly far enough to fix those abuses. The Constitution requires FBI agents to get a warrant before they go combing through our sensitive communications.”

 

The DOJ and FBI undermined their own credibility when they allowed the agency to be weaponized for political purposes time and time again.

 

Who also desired to fire him?

 

You can try to find a scape goat to question those that oppose your opinion all you want, but in my opinion if you are failing to see the politicization of federal agencies, you don't want to see it.

 

In December 2020, Trump wanted to declare martial law to seize voting machines, the DOJ lawyers all threatened to resign.

 

From the small list I referenced, what in particular, Mr. Arkanis, do you take exception with??

Because I can assure you that everything on the list is indeed true.

Research is your friend Mr. Arkanis.

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As for Trump not firing people - I'm sure he doesn't understand (or at least he didn't then) the extent to which our institutions are compromised.

Nor does he understand the extent to which many in the Republican Party are compromised.

Our nation is in the final stages of a decades long march toward collapse. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

 

Pinochet saved Chile. Allende and the communists had already nationalized most of the economy, and were beginning to kill dissidents.

Pinochet acted just in time as it was uncovered that the Allende forces were planning to begin a full-scale purge of anyone deemed a threat to their power.

Here is a pretty good article - which I'm sure you won't read, lol...

https://thenewamerican.com/the-40th-anniversary-of-pinochet-s-rise-to-power-in-chile/

From the article,

Chileans observe their own anniversary on September 11, as today marks the 40th anniversary of the military coup that removed the revolutionary Marxist President Salvador Allende from office and replaced him with General Augusto Pinochet (shown).

At the time of the coup, the Allende government had completely nationalized the Chilean economy and was in the process of consolidating power to form a Cuban-style communist regime.

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Another term for "nationalized" is - stolen by government force.

Kill or be killed - Allende was a typical communist. There's only one way to deal with thugs, which is what all communists are.

 

All of it.

I only argue about facts, and your list is just an amalgam of conspiracy theories.

Sure. .

But he was elected on a promise to drain the swamp and in 4 years his administration has never indicted anyone, not at the DOJ, not at the FBI, not anywhere.

No one.

So either Trump is totally incompetent or the swamp doesn't exist.... or both.

 

You obviously get your news from the state sponsored media - it's called propaganda.

Like I said, do a little research. He!!, FBI involvement in both the WTC Bombing and OKC bombing were both proven in court. You can still listen to the audio on YouTube of the FBI conspiring in the WTC bombing.

But you wouldn't know that because you trust the state sponsored media, and wont do any independent research on your own.

I don't defend Trump much, I'm not a fan of all his antics and constantly mouthing off - I guess that's a New York thing... and I hate New York, lol.

He surrounded himself with a lot of Establishment Republican types - they're swamp creatures themselves.

He'd have to go in there with an entire team of people from outside DC, and outside of the Republican Establishment.

 

You do NOT know Bragg is not a federal employee?

 

That is a fairly typical belief of most MAGA.
That's why they are dangerous and are losing ground in elections.
The sane people have seen how they want to destroy the fabric of America.

 

Or one sees something that just isn't there. Happens all the time.
Could be bad sources of information leading to bad opinions?

 

FYI, defunding the FBI is far more stupid than those yahoos who reduced funds from their local police departments. They learned their lesson quick.

BTW, keep blowing that conspiracy about the Russian hoax as a reason to defund the FBI, my reminder is 2 Republican Senate committees during Trump's term stated otherwise.

 

No doubt you did research