Healthy kids don't need vaccine.

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Where's the evidence it's about "control?" Of who and what? Why? And why would you say science had nothing to do with our response?
    Of course, it does science.
    It appears on balance the vaccine may have only marginally benefitted children.
    The CDC didn't approve of vaccines for children until June 18, 2022.

    https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/06/cdc-covid-vaccine-children.html

    A lot of people wanted to take the chance with the vaccine and were waiting for approval. By the time the vaccine was approved, we were already getting "talk to your doctor" from government officials and physicians.
     
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    Women I know just can't bring themselves to accept the state intervening in the most private and personal aspect of their life.
     
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    Shucks you didn't pay attention to the actual response to covid. You just listened to government and nodded your head. Remember hand washing, distancing, masks and the rest? Certainly you do. Those things have never worked on corona viruses in the past. That wasn't science. That was putting up a veneer of help for the public to get them involved.

    It does politics, even with scientific issues.

    It actually did more harm than good to children on balance. It should never have been approved for children. Many epidemiologists in the private sector said so before it was approved. It was approved by politics, not science.
     
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    Don't tell me what I did.

    If I had listened to Fauci, I wouldn't have worn a P100 or N100 respirator...

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    ... like they do in healthcare facilities...

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    Depends upon what one means by "works." These measures cut your chance of contracting a coronavirus.
    It is "science" and it may or may not be "putting up a veneer of help for the public to get them involved," depending upon who is making the comment.
    Many is how many?
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The P100 or N100 mask are overkill and only suggests you don't understand the purpose of masks. Masks only purpose is to protect others from you if you are infected. If you wanted to protect yourself from others a face mask like the 6800 provides better protection for others and yourself.
     
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    Perhaps you should have listened to him. I spent time in the hospital during the covid scare and never saw single one of these masks in use, certainly not in the OR.

    Not enough to be worth the effort.

    Sorry, I didn't count them.
     
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    Those types of masks are commonly used when working with hazardous chemicals. I know because I wore them for about thirty years. The particular cartridge shown is good against vanadium and chromium. Both of which further PPE is necessary because of other avenues for entry in the body.
     
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    I wore a respirator, not a mask. The respirator has a one-way valve and provides almost no protection for otherd.
    I figured I was unlikely to get covid because of the respirator. If I don't have it, I can't infect others.
    The respirator I wore is inexpensive, and I could wear it and then let it sit for several days. They're more often worn by staff doing light work, what they're used for in construction. I'm not going to wear a 6800 in public.
     
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    He said I didn't need to wear anything, then pushed surgical masks. I don't think so.
    I wasn't spending hours with covid patients. It was for going into stores. The P100 respirator plus goggles is pretty good protection.
    Staying away from people improves your chances.
     
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    **** happens! :angel:
     
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    You must know a few there in Langley that accept and support the state intervening in the lives of OTHERS regarding abortion and government mandated toxic injections...?
     
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    Some, yes; most do not.
     
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    If it covers the face it's a mask. You're being too nitpicky.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-d...nter-the-body-and-what-makes-it-so-dangerous/
    There's a reason why many medical personnel wear face shields. I asked and was told it protects them from the patients if they're infected. Masks are worn to protect the patients if the doctor is infected.
    No, the proper use of the cartridge is single use. Same as a surgical or N95 mask. Once exposed they are contaminated and no longer safe to use. They can be very expensive to use if used properly.
     
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    Healthy kids receive more than 10 vaccines in first 15 months of life, and more follows. The vaccines are one of the reasons they remain healthy as opposed to succumbing to nasty diseases. You don't have to vaccinate your kids, but then you'll have to home-school them and accept the risk of them possibly dying young.
     
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    Depends upon who you're addressing. A lot of people will tell you masks provide little to no protection even though you're talking about a P100 or N100 respirator. Best to nitpick.
    Why are you quoting from early 2020?
    It would not fly under the radar the way this does...

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    Medical personal no doubt find a full facepiece respirator more comfortable than half mask respirators plus eye protection.
    Not what 3M says.
     
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    You should have checked. The masks/respirators can be reused if cleaned, but the cartridge should be discarded daily.

    https://maskourfaces.com/how-to-dispose-of-used-respirator-cartridges/
     
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    I spoke with several different 3M representatives and they said changing the cartridges every day when the respirator was used for short periods--going to the store, for example--was unnecessary.
     
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    Really? Well I just cited you a source that disputes that. Look, I've worn the respirators for over thirty years. I was trained by 3M specialists on their use and care. If you're using one of them with house dust, sure, go ahead and reuse them but I (and the 3M specialists that trained me) would not recommend it. I've thrown the filters away sometimes three times a day. The masks have to be wiped and properly stored when on breaks (whenever you take them off for any extended time). Bottom line -- as I said -- P100 masks are overkill. I've never seen them worn by hospital staff. A K95 is sufficient, if the wearer is infected.
     
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    Get It Or Not

    The Fauci vaccine approach has been a
    failure intellectually stalled in the hay-day of
    the polio vaccine.

    Lucky the Polio viruses don't mutate so fast. eh

    Create a list of required vaccination
    while another list is optional.
    Required: Polio & DPT


    MMR optional
    and current flu vaccines


    I REMEMBER LINES FOR SWINE FLU
    What a joke that was in retrospect.


    LESSON: Invest in anti virals,
    like Tamiflu and influenza viruses

    :blahblah:

    Fire Fauci


    Moi :oldman:






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    What they told me was confirmed by medical professionals. If the respirator--and I wasn't using one with cartridges...

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    ... was used and then set aside for several days, there was no need to change the filters.
    When I went out, I took several with me. In the rare instance I removed one, I had several backups. The respirators are inexpensive.

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    I was wearing the respirator to protect me. Overkill for a few hundred bucks? No.
     
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    How does it protect you if the virus can enter your body through other routes? Everyone knows how masks work; they prevent the spread by limiting the spray of the droplets coming from your breath. The less virus in the air the less likely others will be exposed to it.

    Do you understand why filters should not be reused? Protocol states you should not touch the masks without washing your hands right afterwards. Why? Because the virus could be on it and by touching it you risk transferring it to other areas, like your eyes.

    Do you know how to do a fit test your P100 respirator? Do you shave your facial hair in the seal area? If you don't follow the correct use of the respirator they are considered ineffective protection.
     
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    Wear goggles and wash your hands.
    Huh? The one-way valve in the respirator lets your breath out without filtering it.

    The respirator protects me, not others.
    I washed my hands or used hand sanitizer after handling the respirator.
    Yes.
    Always.
    Correct.
     
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    So, it protects you but not anyone else. Isn't that counter to the agenda of doing your civic duty?
     
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    I chose another way to protect myself and others.
     
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    What is it?
     
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