Donald Trump indicted on 7 counts in classified documents probe

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  1. fullmetaljack

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    The mockery came when Republicans in office actually voted , twice, to acquit that Stain in the Senate and then defended and repeated the Big Lie about election fraud just to try and hang on to political power.

    Sludge.
     
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    Yes the Orange Cheeto with his 1,500 employees is just like Exxon *shaking head*


    Sure he didn't know the fraud was happening, lol
     
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    Comey himself said Tuesday that the cases the FBI has historically prosecuted have involved one or a combination of the following:

    • "clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information;
    • or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct;
    • or indications of disloyalty to the United States;
    • or efforts to obstruct justice."
    It's that first standard -- willfulness -- that sets the high bar. "The most difficult element to satisfy is the willfulness requirement," said veteran prosecutor James Melendres, a partner at Snell & Wilmer.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heres-why-james-comey-didnt-recommend-prosecution-for-hillary-clinton/


    CARE TO BE HONEST WHERE HILLARY FALLS THERE VS THE ORANGE CHEETO?
     
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    I claimed neither. I'm trying to explain the law to you. I see it isn't working.
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    I'm merely trying to explain to a certain poster what a corporation is as well as the difference between civil liability and a criminal conviction.

    I should have known it'd be futile.
     
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    Some people adore him, and no voter should adore any pol.

    Some voters simply find that the democrats are the party of transgender fanaticism, hatred of police, disrespect for tradtional values, multiculturalism, and an unsecured border. Among other things.

    That would be me. If Trump runs against Joe Manchin, I'll vote for Manchin. If he runs against K Harris, I'll vote for Trump. If he runs against Biden, I'll see .... and I may abstain.
     
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    Per Wiki, The Trump Organization is a group of about 500 business entities of which Donald Trump is the sole or principal owner. Around 250 of these entities use the Trump name.

    It has over 22,000 employees, not 1500 as you claim. Exxon has between 60k and 70k.

    (How many do you have?)
     
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    Attorney General Merrick Garland is a political wimp who has a deathly fear of his responsibilities in the face of stark reality. This has been known to many, and now the Washington Post confirms it.

    The Post reports, "Hours after he was sworn in as attorney general, Merrick Garland and his deputies gathered in a wood-paneled conference room in the Justice Department for a private briefing on the investigation he had promised to make his highest priority: bringing to justice those responsible for the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

    "In the two months since the siege, federal agents had conducted 709 searches, charged 278 rioters and identified 885 likely suspects, said Michael R. Sherwin, then-acting U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, ticking through a slide presentation. Garland and some of his deputies nodded approvingly at the stats, and the new attorney general called the progress “remarkable,” according to people in the room."

    What a sham. Garland went after the foot soldiers while ignoring the leaders. This went on for quite a while even though the January Sixth Select Committee in the House did much of the work for him with respect to Trump.

    The Post continued, "Sherwin refused to rule out the possibility that President Donald Trump himself could be culpable. “We are looking at all actors, not only the people who went into the building,” Sherwin said in response to a reporter’s question about Trump. “If the evidence fits the elements of a crime, they’re going to be charged.”

    "But according to a copy of the briefing document, absent from Sherwin’s 11-page presentation to Garland on March 11, 2021, was any reference to Trump or his advisers — those who did not go to the Capitol riot but orchestrated events that led to it (proving once again that Garland is good at rhetoric, but not so good at taking action based on the rhetoric).

    "A Washington Post investigation found that more than a year would pass before prosecutors and FBI agents jointly embarked on a formal probe of actions directed from the White House to try to steal the election. Even then, the FBI stopped short of identifying the former president as a focus of that investigation."

    To this day, two and a half years later, nothing has been done. Garland and his special counsel, Jack Smith, are sitting on the mountain of evidence implicating the former Republican President.

    While the documents case is important -- a threat to our national security, actually -- an attempt by the President to overthrow our elected government is far more serious!

    Meanwhile, Garland does nothing regarding the insurrection attempt.
     
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    This doesn't sound like a report. It sounds like an opinion piece.

    I'd like to hear Garland's side of this "story." My guess is that he didn't find that the evidence fit the elements of a crime insofar as it concerned Trump, who had an absolute First Amendment right to say, as he did:
    "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

    Merrick Garland knows what the First Amendment says, even if the Washington Post (like some here) does not.

    Aren't you supposed to provide a link to the article?
     
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    I don't know if this had been posted?

    'Exclusive: Mark Meadows removed classified documents from the White House the last night of Donald'

    'Cassidy Hutchinson testified that she witnessed Meadows removing the papers'

    MURRAY WAAS

    'Former president Donald Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, removed more than a thousand pages of classified documents from the White House late at night on the final evening of Trump’s presidency. according to government records and interviews with several individuals with first-hand knowledge of the matter.


    snip:

    'A former top aide to Meadows has told investigators that they witnessed Meadows removing the documents, according to previously unreported information in government records.

    Meadows removed the records from the White House on the orders of Donald Trump, and occurred despite advice from White House attorneys that making public the records would circumvent the long established and official procedures in place for declassifying them.

    According to a previously unreported email from a top official of the National Archives to an aide to Trump, the Archives had concluded that many of the records removed from the White House to Meadows remained classified, despite efforts by Trump to declassify them at the time. Experts on government secrecy and declassification issues say that that and other information first reported in this article raises serious questions as to whether Meadows’ removal of the records violated federal law.'

    cont:
    https://murraywaas.substack.com/p/e...ource=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    https://murraywaas.substack.com/p/e...ource=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
     
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    Investigating journalist Carol Leonnig @ WAPO was on Nicole Wallace @ MSNBC earlier.
    I can't find the video but it should be posted on Nicolle's site shortly.
    Well worth the watch discussing Garland.
    Rep.Madeline Dean from Trump's 2 impeachments and the J6 along with Andrew Weissman.
     
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    Trump has a habit of counting people that he's contracted as "employees" and most of those "business entities" are just on paper. Many, many of those "entities" have failed, and others have been fraudulent. It's hard to find any of his business that are both successful and non-fraudulent, aside from a few instances of licensing his name. Can you say the same about your own business practices? I hope not.
     
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    Yes your analogy of Exxon VS Trump Org was right on *LMAOROG*

    Hint it's TRUMP'S PRIVATELY HELD COMPANY, NOT A PUBLIC CORP. 17 FELONY CONVICTIONS WITH THE TRUMP ORG!
     
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    John Solomon anyone?
    OMG! Yet not surprising, Waas quoted Solomon's ever changing explanations about the Russian documents and how he supposedly obtained them.
    Kash Patel's stink permeates throughout.
    Have to see if Waas has written about Patel.

    EXCLUSIVE: FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP LEAKED CLASSIFIED RUSSIA PAPERS TO CONSERVATIVE JOURNALIST
    Trump's leak of the records raises new questions regarding his handling of classified information as the special counsel's probe of Trump's removal of classified documents to Mar-a-Lago intensifies.
    [​IMG]
    MURRAY WAAS
    FEB 16, 2023

    Very long and very informative.

    https://murraywaas.substack.com/p/exclusive-former-president-donald
     
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    TRUMP: The best president since Eisenhower.
    BIDEN: A vegetable.

    But never mind all of that.
     
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    Yes your analogy of Exxon VS Trump Org was right on *LMAOROG*

    Hint it's TRUMP'S PRIVATLY HELD COMPANY, NOT A PUBLIC CORP. 17 FELONY CONVICTION
    Anything like the size of Cheeto's apt?

    Donald Trump Claimed Apartment Was Three Times Its Actual Size To Increase Value: NY AG

    22,000 huh?


    In January 2021, The Trump Organization's businesses, including hotels and golf courses, were reported to have generated at least $446.3 million in sales in 2019.

    However, as the COVID-19 pandemic hit, the company reported revenue dropping 40 percent to $278 million in 2020.

    22,000 employes at $1,000 EACH

    $22,000.000

    22,000 employes at $10,000 EACH

    $220,000,000

    YOU GOING TO BELIEVE HE HAS 22,000 EMPLOYEES? lmaorog



    THAT'S $446 MILLION TO $278 MILLION GROSS RECEIPTS, NOT NET
     
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    FBI resisted opening probe into Trump’s role in Jan. 6 for more than a year
    In the DOJ’s investigation of Jan. 6, key Justice officials also quashed an early plan for a task force focused on people in Trump’s orbit

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...-probe-into-trumps-role-jan-6-more-than-year/

    NO PAYWALL
    https://archive.ph/j81W4

    A Washington Post investigation found that more than a year would pass before prosecutors and FBI agents jointly embarked on a formal probe of actions directed from the White House to try to steal the election. Even then, the FBI stopped short of identifying the former president as a focus of that investigation.





     
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    Zippia's data science team found the following key financial metrics. The Trump Organization has 22,450 employees, and the revenue per employee ratio is $29,175. The Trump Organization peak revenue was $655.0M in 2022.

    LMAOROG YES THEY HAD NO DEVT TO SERVICE, NO ENERGY COSTS, NO UPKEEP OR CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT YOUKEEP BELIEVING HE HAS 22,000 EMPLOYEES

    THE ONLY COSTS THE GROSS WILL NOT HAVE TO COVER IS HIS LAWTERS, SINCE HE'S BILKING HIS MAGAt's for that cost!

    According to Klipfolio, a good Revenue per Employee benchmark ranges between $43,000 of revenue per employee for companies making less than $1 million total revenue, to $230,000 per employee for companies earning $50 million or more of total revenue.
     
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    Guess I don't get to hear Garland's side of the story. :rolleyes:
     
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    You've quote me four times today.

    I'm flattered, but it's creepy.
     
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    Bidens puppet?

    ...Whether a decision about Trump’s culpability for Jan. 6 could have come any earlier is unclear. The delays in examining that question began before Garland was even confirmed. Sherwin, senior Justice Department officials and Paul Abbate, the top deputy to FBI Director Christopher A. Wray, quashed a plan by prosecutors in the U.S. attorney’s office to directly investigate Trump associates for any links to the riot, deeming it premature, according to five individuals familiar with the decision. Instead, they insisted on a methodical approach — focusing first on rioters and going up the ladder.

    The strategy was embraced by Garland, Monaco and Wray. They remained committed to it even as evidence emerged of an organized, weeks-long effort by Trump and his advisers before Jan. 6 to pressure state leaders, Justice officials and Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of Biden’s victory.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...-probe-into-trumps-role-jan-6-more-than-year/
     
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    Got it, you'll believe Cheeto
     
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    Where did I say that?
     
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    I can say that my business is successful and non-fraudulent, yes.

    But cut the Wiki-reported number by 50%. Cut it again by 50%; it still leaves a lot of people that no one can reasonably expect Trump to ride herd on for the purposes of civil liability.

    I say reasonably. People who hate him are not reasonable for the most part.

    Did Trump personally commit or order the commission of fraud? I actually have no idea.
     
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