⚤'The words "cis" and "cisgender" are considered SLURS on this platform!' ⚤

Physical characteristics as in your chromosomes and genes doing what they are supposed to do as taught to us by biology.

The main point of the thread is how language is used. It was proposed that language reflects cultural change and I countered that demanding a language change with force behind it can drive cultural change. You are showing that point here.

This used to be called SRS aka sexual reassignment surgery. Now people are wanting to call it GRS aka Gender Reassignment Surgery. If you can't admit that there is an agenda to currently conflate sex and gender and to eventually replace sex with gender then you're not having an honest discussion.

Look at your points here. You state with all confidence that if you change someone's physical characteristics via COSMETIC SURGERY because that is what this is, cosmetic surgery, then it stands to reason that the label would change to reflect that new reality.

It isn't a new reality. A trans woman is a biological male with breast implants and their penis inverted. A trans man has chopped off her breasts and possibly had someone take a skin graft from her forearm and pretend to shape it into a penis and attach it to her lower anatomy. They need lifelong hormone treatments not to fix a medical condition like cancer or something similar but to fight the expression of their genes.

They aren't changing their sex. They spend their entire lives fighting their biology. They are fighting their genes and chromosomes.

So we are constantly fed the lie that gender and sex are separate yet nothing about gender expression should require medical intervention. The medical and cosmetic procedures is because they aren't separate and this is just a stupid ruse to try to justify their actions. That's been the point all along. This isn't the same as dressing in drag. You can have people who dress in drag and they use all manner of clothing and accessories to try to pass as the opposite SEX.

You can't change your sex. People want to believe they can change their sex so they claim gender is separate from sex and then spent lots of time via medical and cosmetic procedures trying to change their......sex.

So the word cis is a slur. It's for a made up bit or nonsense that isn't logically coherent even to the practitioners attempting to utilize it.

 

Nobody is assigning your sex, thats not how life works. A person is male because of the 300million sperm your father ejaculated into your mother the sperm that was you was a male Y chromosome sperm, you where born male because you beat out the millions of brothers and sisters to reach the egg before they did. That Y chromosome sperm that created that baby started life as male inside his fathers testicles, there is no assigning anything, its started as male, and will always be male, there is no changing this fact of life.

 

Yet you'll say you are not trying to erase women when feminism declares that there are not differences between male brains and female brains and that sex roles and societal outcomes related to sex are achieved via socialization and not biology.

 

I guess you don’t have a chemistry degree so you don’t know what a cis-isomer is. The alternative is a trans-isomer.

 

I’ve read that before already and it is beyond absurd the claims it makes based on the testing done. As of right now, these “genders” are absolutely just personality types. What you posted, despite its claims, doesn’t disprove that.

Mother nature is absolutely crazy, and there are a ton of variation, but that doesn’t prove the claims people make about these alleged genders that are just personality types.

This fixation on calling these things genders and perceiving them as more important than they are isn’t healthy.

 

Different context. Context always matters.

 

Was the chemistry terms cis-isomer and trans-isomer based on the research from a pedophile that did sexual experiments on children like what the father of gender identity John Money did? NO? well kind of a different situation now isnt it?

 

Cis is just a way to different between peoples for the purposes of clear communication. The only ones getting up in arms about it are those who want to discredit it. Language changes happen all the time. There is a great program on my morning news radio every thursday that investigates the etymology of words and their evolution. There is a reason that the name 'Karen' has disappeared from new babies over the last few years.

Going by genes as an absolute is not a good idea, considering the various genetic variations that can occur (XX Genes with penis's, XY Genes with a womb, etc...).

That said, if you can't ever accept the reality of these individuals situation, then any and all language shifts will be viewed as .. i guess 'attack' might be the most accurate term... on 'language'. This is one of those situations where neither of use will likely accept the others view points on this due to our inability to agree on the foundation of this particular issue.

lol. If you just go by chromosomes, then there are 8 genders.

No. That others exist doesn't erase women. I don't really care if some say that, I don't, so please don't ascribe it to me like a giant strawman. I believe that there are biological distinctions, and psychological distinctions, but those distinctions don't cancel anyone with traditional ones out. Maybe don't listen to the most extreme voices in these matters?

lol you can call it absurd, but i'll take peer reviewed research over some rando on a message board like you.

I mean, taking your argument in good faith, you would have to define what a 'personality type' is, and how one is formed on an individual level, and how that relates to the individual situations. I mean, how does 'personality type' explain why GD is way more prevalent in twins of the same gender vs twins of differing genders?

As for calling it a 'fixation', that's not really for you to decide, is it? 1% regret rate vs various studies showing happiness increases in the majority of those surveyed seems to show that this is important and is much healthier for the majority of trans individuals then your alternative.

 

That peer reviewed research has been criticed by its peers for making claims well beyond the scope of its research lol. Nor did it ever differentiate effectively between a gender and a personality type.

so it’s not me saying it. You simply ran with the first thing you could. But its claims don’t disprove that these “genders” are actually just personality types nor did that study ever effectively differentiate between them.

What you are asking me to do, hasn’t been done for “genders” either. Why? Because they aren’t different. People “feel” a particular way and then incorrectly associate it with a new gender. It’s just a trait of personality. Thier gender remains the same.

It’s peoples own choice what they fixate on, sure. But it definitely isn’t healthy. Thier suicide rate, which isn’t explained by the alleged discrimination, proves this.

This isn’t the first time you have done this either. Multiple occasions you post studies as evidence for claims you make, studies that don’t actually prove what you are claiming yet using them as evidence of.

 

Where was it criticized? I notice nothing backing your assertion on this. And your the only person who's making this 'personality' claim so of course there would be no differentiation. It was a study on the effects of a sex-specific pheromone and it's effects on GD individuals.

Again, your the only one saying this. Nobody has mentioned 'personality' in any of the studies I've read on the subject, so if you have them, please share. Your personal opinions aren't relevant.

Says you.

Funny how you always seem to discredit the very answers to the questions/opinions you have on the subject. Also, 'alleged' discrimination? That right there shows you have no clue on the subject.

They do prove what I'm saying. You haven't disproved them in any way. Saying 'they are wrong' over and over is meaningless.

Also, It's not the only one. It was just the most specific one.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...c_Review_of_the_Human_Neuroimaging_Literature

If we had a 'smoking gun' on the subject, we wouldn't be discussing it at all (well, depending on the ability to accept new information that is). This is a field of study that's growing, little by little, and each one affirms the previous. I notice you ignored the studies on Twins and the interesting fact that same sex twins present GD whereas opposite-sex twins don't seem to.

 

I'm going to nominate this reply for best self-own ever.

You claim Cis is just another word that arose organically and that the only people who are "up in arms" are those who want to discredit it by calling it a slur.

You then specifically give an example of a word "Karen" that has specifically been weaponized as a slur against middle class white women. You then, with sense of what you've done, start that there is a reason people won't name their babies Karen.

Yes, they don't want to because they don't want to be associated with a specific slur that has been created and utilized against a specific group of people.

So when someone like me starts a thread about a group of people who don't want to be associated with a specific slur that is being utilized against a specific group of people you should just be a little more self-aware of how you just sank your own attempt to explain this in the worst way possible.

You used a slur to show organic language use in a discussion about people not wanting to use a word because it's a slur to them.

Variations are what are really called defects. We know what the NORM should be and these deviations are not the norm. They are defects. They will have tests, names as medical conditions and also treatments. These are not "a feeling" and attempting to conflate the two is disgusting, sad and wrong.

If we can't accept your sanction in these matters and your demands that we allow use of this slur, then I guess no language anywhere will ever evolve again.

Not so much. It's not an attack on "language". It's an attack on a slur.

The fact they exist means they are erase women because they are erase the words used with them and erasing their spaces.

You say they don't cancel them out. Yet woman is becoming birthing human. Breast feeding is becoming chest feeding. Mother is becoming person with a uterus. The changes are not demanded by the people who are described by those words. No one is saying that a trans person can use different words for themselves. The trans advocates are demanding ALL use these words just like they are demanding use of the word cis.

There is no societal and organic energy behind these changes. These are demands by activists who want to control our culture via their linguistic controls and demands.

 

The N word was at one time not a slur. In fact some blacks still use it without the intent of a slur.

 

Some cis-genders, I guess, are just cissies--
overly sensitive, I should say.

 

@trumptman

"Cis-gender" only means normal, that is, not trans-gender.

<Google Snip>

Cis has traditionally been used as a prefix, the same as trans has, and comes from the latin meaning “on the same side as”, which sits opposite trans, from the latin “on the opposite side as”. These terms have been used in the scientific disciplines for centuries, such as in chemistry, geography, and genetics.
https://www.transhub.org.au › cis
What does cis mean? - TransHub
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For real, dude-- I won't tell you to grow a pair, because without first growing any skin, that pair would just roll on the floor.

 

If someone with a ZZTop beard wants to be addressed with female pronouns, I will make an effort to do so because it is just common decency to be respectful to people. Hopefully the bearded lady would be just as respectful in allowing me latitude for when I get it wrong on the fly.

 

No the people triggered about pronoun use and seeking to alter language separate from what the vast majority of the population wants WISH they could grow a pair but that's sort of the point.

They can't.

Also noting that the people pushing the new words might have tried to find some grounding in past practices for their present agenda means exactly nothing.

Cis-gender means normal. So I'll just use normal. No you'll use cisgender. No I won't.

 

I have never had need of that term, before, but nor have I ever taken offense at it. That is the headline, of your thread: Musk has determined that Twitter will consider this word a slur. As it does not consider "transgender" a slur, and as "cisgender" is the counterpart term, it is a ludicrously baseless ruling of Musk's. But if you've got the money to buy your own social media platform...

 

This was posted earlier and clearly you missed it. It literally shows how it is used as a slur.

 

You specifically said it refuted the claim that personality and gender are the same, this is objectively not true. Again, you posted something as evidence that doesn’t back up what you are claiming happened.

And it’s not an opinion. Personality traits exist, this isn’t an opinion. And people are taking these traits and claiming they are different genders.

Yes, alleged discrimination. For instance not having your dysphoria placated isn’t discrimination yet they absolutely believe this is the case. It so you who has no idea about anything on this subject.

No it hasn’t proven you right, nothing you have posted has at all disproven the objectively correct notion that these “genders” are actually just personality traits given a new name.

There will never be a smoking gun on such an inherently subjective study. But those far this “growing” field of study has yet to differentiate in any meaningful way between personality traits and alleged genders.

 

The terms are more absurd than anything else.

 

That does not, IMO, show "cisgender" being used as a slur. In that cartoon, one could replace the idea of cisgender with, for example, the words "(straight) white male." You follow that, right: "your white male privilege is showing?" So does that mean that the words straight, white, and male are also, all "slurs?" I hardly think so.

Actually, the transgender person, or whatever he is/they are, is the butt of the cartoon's joke, because of its line, "You can't change who you are or how people see you." Think about it.

 

You're just saying that the slur replaces other words that could be used in place of the slur. Welcome to the premise of the entire thread. Glad to see you here. Hope you'll catch up soon in many other matters.

Hey instead of saying n-word, couldn't you just say person of color or black or African-American? I mean all of those could mean the same so in really dumb reasoning those are all slurs too.

No they're not. They are what you use instead of the slur of using the n word.

Heterosexual, straight, normal, etc are the words you use instead of the slur cisgender.

See you've almost caught up and caught on. Keep going!

Oh there isn't a lick of reasoning that makes sense within the trans realm. The point is really that while many people are content to let them live their adult lives however they wish, they are so narcissistic and ludicrous that they spend all their times making demands of others to try to help support their pretzel reasoning. You can't tolerate them, you have to celebrate them. You can't just let them live as they want. Your pronouns must be on a pin and you have to be compelled to use their pronouns. You can't just let them dress as the opposite sex, you have to remove the adjective trans from their description and just double down and say they are the same as the biological equivalent. You have to support whatever insane contentions they put forward.

They're the butt of the joke in almost everything but using intersectional reasoning they rise to the top of the victim pyramid. You understand that and you understand the truth within every Dave Chapelle joke when he talk about how a white man can put on a dress and climb above victim status for every black kid born fatherless and into a life of gangs, drugs and poverty. It's the ultimate intersectional get out of jail free card.

 

I remember when the Left were free speech absolutists:

 

Is cisgendered the same as ******?

 

I don't know what your ****** stands for, but undoubtedly, no. That's not what cisgendered means.