⚤'The words "cis" and "cisgender" are considered SLURS on this platform!' ⚤

SMDH. That is not what I did. You couldn't have missed the point by any more if you'd been trying.

How do you people remember to breath without constant reminders?

You obviously aren't up to this conversation, so I'mma stop now.

Bye.

 

You want to lecture me on who the groups are and what they represent while literally declaring that you don't know what half the symbols mean. You didn't even try to look them up. As I said, you're not operating in good faith at this stage. I'm done with you.

2S = two spirits.
I = intersex
A = asexual
Q = queer or questioning
++ mean there are hundreds of genders and they are adding more to this alphabet list every day. That's the point. They want to grow it.

 

You wanted me to claims some expertise in a subject to back my point. That's called argument from authority and it's a logical flaw.

The worst part is you shared your own expertise and you have none. So you tried to pull that argument out of your ass and just got shut down and shamed instead.

 

Again, you've completely misinterpreted my post.

Again, I don't believe you are up to this. You're embarrassing yourself.

one more time: Bye.

 

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You're offended because some ignorant poster on twitter doesn't know meaning or origin of a word?

Seems rather odd.

 

To your belief that

1) you can use uncommon terms without defining them; and that
2) my expecting, you should explain these terms, you use, so
3) not looking them up, myself,

implies that I am "not operating in good faith," I can only react to, with floccinaucinihilipilification.

 

No, it does not, at all, do so-- the reason for which, I have already explained, several times. When distinguishing between these two, there is no need to "set (one term) above...another." That, however, is the reason for the term: to remove this unnecessary "ranking," of the two potential conditions. We do not have to indicate which one is better, or higher up. I have already given examples of this, such as when we distinguish left- or right- handedness. It is not "greater" and "lesser," but only left or right. Whether one thinks of one as preferable to the other, has no role in the merely linguistic operation, of differentiating the two.

Again, you are lost, by your inability to appreciate that it is this very mode of seeing one as better than the other, which is the prejudice, that it was desired to be removed. This is because you are unwilling to ever consider the concept of "transgender," except as from that prejudicial viewpoint.

 

cis
1 of 3
adjective
ˈsis


1
chemistry : characterized by having certain atoms or groups of atoms on the same side of the longitudinal axis of a double bond or of the plane of a ring in a molecule
… this process changes the cis form of naturally occurring fats to the trans form …—
Sue Rodwell Williams


2
[by shortening] : cisgender
… this whole experiment is framed within the experiences of a cis woman.—
Lani Irving


3
genetics : relating to or being an arrangement of two very closely linked genes in the heterozygous condition in which both mutant alleles are on one chromosome and both wild-type alleles are on the homologous chromosome
compare trans sense 3

 

What does cis mean?
Cis is short for cisgender, which refers to when a person’s gender identity corresponds to their sex as assigned at birth. Cisgender is the opposite of transgender.


Cissexual was coined in the mid 1990s by a German sexologist. He used the Latin preposition cis, meaning “on this side of,” as a contrast to transsexual, trans being the Latin for “on the other side of” or “across.”
https://www.dictionary.com/e/gender-sexuality/cis/

 

Wondering why your upset over someone being upset on twitter is odd?

I suppose, it's odd to wonder why one upset over another person on twitter that is upset is rather odd.

 

Doubling down... nice!

 

IS that what you said @DEFinning?

 

another 100 or so more and I'll catch up to the op.

 

At least I have no problem understanding what I read, and accurately reiterating it (unlike you-- case in point, above). I never represented myself as an "arbiter or authority." I replied to what seemed your arcane gibberish--

trumptman said: ↑
It separates them by putting them together under the same umbrella term?

I don't mind discussions but they have be in good faith. You either aren't operating in good faith or you've gone below minimum bar for comprehension here.

Here's what you said.

LGB 2S Q T I A

LGB+2STQIA++

equals... those two have separated by adding them together.


-- with a basic, common sense explanation of things, it had not been clear, from your posts, you'd understood. IOW, the post which you accuse me of purporting to be an "expert," had actually been remedial level discourse, for your benefit. Here, again, is that simplified explanation:

DEFinning said: ↑
...
The upshot, is that I don't know what you are trying to say. If you can manage to offer a clear argument, I will reiterate that most gay people, are cisgendered. Being attracted to other members of your own sex, does not make a person "transgendered." One can have a man's body, and identify, psychologically, as a man, who is attracted to other men, for example. It is not clear that you understand this. The sex which attracts you, is irrelevant to the cis- or trans- determination. Hence, most straight and gay people, are in the same "cisgender" group.

Perhaps you are conflating the sexual and the gender groups; they are independent of one another. The initialism of LGBTQ, is a grouping of different sexual/gender groups who experience discrimination. It does not imply that all of those groups are trans-gendered-- only the one represented by the "T." IOW, there is more than one grouping that involves gay people. In the gender-specific context, straight and gay fall into the same category; in the context of prejudice, straight and gay are in different groups.
<End Quote>

FYI, this is basic level information, even if it might have seemed, to your mind, a highly complicated, expert -level explanation.

FYI #2: one needn't be an "authority," to understand the difference between "cisgender," and "transgender." This is the difference which you seemed to be confused about, because you were repeatedly saying that those pushing the use of the term "cisgender," were trying to "grow" the size of the group which deviates from the norm, and you used "LGBTQ" and references to "gays" in the making of your argument. Hence, I was pointing out that cisgender includes both gay and straight people, since you seemed confused about that. But this is something that is well understood, by many; IOW, it was in no way, my presenting myself as some kind of expert.
So it is you, who would benefit from your advice, to "get a clue."

 

https://twitter.com/SarahisCensored/status/1672676205948985349?s=20

A great take on this from someone who writes better than me.

 

No, you have only just further proved my point: that you don't seem to understand what you read. As you seem not even willing to try, I am going to stop while I am behind, and not throw any more of my good time, after bad.

 

The guy who complains that he didn't understand what I typed because I didn't define things like 2SLGBTQIA++ in a thread discussing cisgendered is now telling me I don't understand what I'm reading.

 

Again you have made my point, if trans people view normal as prejudicial because trans people are abnormal then the only way to equalize the terms is to downgrade "normal"

Do you ever understand what your saying anymore? You are once again proving my point.

 

No, but this is pointless, as I have already explained it several times. When discussing the agreement or non-agreement of peoples' physical and psychological genders (that is, cisgender vs. transgender), there is no call whatsoever for the inclusion, in the terminology, of some judgement, indicating which one is "better," or more common. No reason to include that inference whatsoever, except in the view of people who feel compelled to run-down transgenders, at every opportunity.

 

Yes you have explained it several times and each time your explanation has made my point.

The fact of the matter is that transgenderism is an abnormality, it is a mental disconnect from reality, there is no possible way to spin transgenderism as normal, so the only recourse to not have the definitions "marginalize" trans people is to create a term that is a downgrade for normal people, and just like you said with cisgender and transgender being the same, you have made my point.

Your terms are categorizing normal people into the same category as abnormal people, most people find that offensive

 

I think we need to go further. Every person who hasn't been convicted of a crime needs "NON-CONVICTED" before their name. Thats basically how ridiculous this whole "cis" thing is

 

I'm surprised they haven't done that yet, they have already change mothers into "birthing person"

 

That the term was coined by a would be child rapist is enough for me to object to anyone using the term regarding me.

 

Why? If you call me Cis, I’ll report you for harrasment and get you fired or kicked out of a restaurant or cancelled from life. Or maybe I’ll scream in your face for putting my life in danger? Words are violence in YOUR world. What’s the big deal snowflake

You understand it’s what people like you have started. Snowflake?? Hehe. Look in the mirror.

If you’re a dude in makeup and I call you Mr, and YOU have a temper tantrum, guess who’s the snowflake? If I consider you a dude because you look like one it’s not ME with the problem. It’s YOU not understanding that your mental illness is in YOUR head. Your perception isn’t reality. It’s a mental illness. I can either entertain YOUR illness. Or simply ignore it.

 

CIS: word-forming element meaning "on the near side of, on this side," from Latin preposition cis "on this side" (in reference to place or time), related to citra (adv.) "on this side," from PIE *ki-s, suffixed form of root *ko-, the stem of demonstrative pronoun meaning "this." Opposed to trans- or ultra-. Originally only of place, sometimes 19c. of time; 21c. of life situations (such as cis-gender, which is attested by 2011).

If you're going to complain about being called cisgendered as opposed to transgendered might I suggest you stop using a language that often uses Latin as the root of it's words.