Ex-Russian President Calls Nuclear Apocalypse 'Probable'

Why are you pretending I said the UN is a moron .. I said nothing fo the sort and posting a Wiki Link does not mean the UN is the source.
Just because others act foolishly by failing to support claim -- is not a good reason to follow but , on the contrary .. I have seen a whole lot of folks on both sides of the fence so your claim is a falsehood .

Your claim about resistance to reading is also a falsehood given you have not posted anything in support of your claim to read --- and in fact this post all about you refusing to do so.

What a pile of strawman fallacy and falsehood mate ..

 

That's not how it works, sport. If NATO isn't fighting, you can't judge NATO's combat performance.

Also, Ukraine's army is winning despite its material disadvantages in this conflict. Pretty amazing to witness.

 

Nice set of gymnastics. Come back when you have an actual argument.

 

NATO's Proxy army is fighting .. that is how it works Durandal .. and we can Judge many things about NATO's combat performance on the basis of this proxy war.

So once again .. Wrong and Wrong and your completly unsupported claim " Ukraine's army is winning" .. is also wrong - a function of too much of that Western Propaganda of which you profess to be unaware ... another big fail which may underlie the others .. should check there first ..

"Western Propaganda" is called that for a reason Friend.

 

Did you not know what an argument is friend ? It was argued that your post was a pile of falsehood and fallacy .. and support for each claim was given .. such as you pretending I said the UN is a Moron - something completely false . as I said no such thing .. never mentioned them. Your claim about cluster bombs also remains unsupported .. and it seems like you have forgotten what it was that you claimed in any case .

So Let us review --- an unsupported claim is not an argument .. so "nice set of gymnastics. Come back when you have an actual argument" -and let us not be projecting our own failings onto others por favor

 

It's not a proxy army, and either way it's not NATO. So no, NATO is not somehow "getting it handed to them on the battlefield by Russia." Ukraine is still using majority Soviet and Russian equipment anyway, so by your logic Russia would be handing it to itself.

Would be, except Ukraine is kicking ass, getting more kills with less, taking more territory and doing it faster than Russia has managed with its human wave tactics, etc.

 

There are literally hundreds of eye witness correspondences. If you have not read them thus far, you are so far out of the loop that you are only repeating Kremlin narratives.

 

The defense of every country's territorial integrity leads to me and my family at war. As far as I'm concerned Ukraine provoked (and they know it, which is why invasion is prefaced with unprovoked by every propagandist) this by repeatedly threatening to join a military alliance against their neighbor. Then when their neighbor got mad and annexed some of their land, Ukraine sent a bunch of Nazi units to the borders to terrorize and kill Russians living in Ukraine. Stupid moves imo, and I won't defend it.

 

Classic abuser language: "look what you made me do!".

Russia has been abusive to every nation around it throughout history and when it's neighbors want to join a defenseive alliance because they're tired of it, Russia lashes out like a barbarian horde. However this time, unlike Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Chechnya, and Georgia; they're getting their teeth kicked in. The Russians are finally getting what they deserve.

 

They are not assumptions. Putin clearly identified the geographic regions that were his objectives at the outset of the conflict.

When he stated those, I doubted his objectives, and thought his objective was conquering Ukraine. After a year and a half of Russian forces digging into those exact regions, with the exception of Kherson which the Ukranians denied (they also denied Kharkiv, but that region wasn't mentioned as a Russian objective), and they have held firm in those regions, and incorporated them into the Russian constitution, it is clear to me that those are indeed the Russian objectives, they have achieved them, and NATO doesn't have a plan or the capability to take them back without seriously endangering the world.

 

Just because Putin “incorporated” invaded Ukrainian lands does not make it legal on the world front. What if the US invaded and captured the Canadian Pacific coast provinces plus Alberta and Manitoba and then “incorporated “ those lands into the US using an amendment to the Constitution I bet you would be just fine with that, right.

 

His objective absolutely was to conquer Ukraine, as evidenced by his sending forces at Kyiv and simultaneously calling on Ukrainians to overthrow their government. He then shifted to trying to hold onto his precious land corridor to Crimea after that failed and he was losing significant ground that had previously been captured.

There is no danger in Ukraine retaking its territory. NATO has nothing to do with it, either, beyond providing material support to Ukraine to help them achieve their objectives, which are just.

Stop trying to give Putler a pass. Stop pretending that we're all at some kind of risk if he doesn't get his way.

 

Stop pretending you can attack, punish, destabilize, harm, or provoke a nuclear armed (among many other types of WMD's, including some of which we have no real defense against as Covid demonstrated) nation without incurring a significant risk to me and my family. It's the same beef I have with those responsible for creating Covid: stop pretending that your actions don't significantly endanger ALL families on Earth, and that we are somehow wrong for questioning what you are doing.

 

Once again, you try to give Putler a pass and act like we're being mean to him and just need to leave the poor little dictator alone. He likes to pretend that he has no choice but to behave like a thug, bully and conqueror, like we somehow force him to do it, and you dutifully back him up on it and claim that any attempt to stop him from attacking, punishing, destabilizing, harming and provoking a neighboring country is somehow incurring "significant risk" to precious little you.

 

yep, this war has made Russia look weak, Putin misjudged Ukraine biggly

 

The nuclear holocaust is probable if Ukraine invades Crimea, which is considered to be a Russian territory for a decade. This is the red line that Ukraine should not cross. Biden wisely put off Ukraine's NATO membership bid until the ongoing war is over. If Ukraine joins NATO in a year, the use of nuclear weapons by Russia will become a reality. Is Ukraine really worth saving or should it be treated like Georgia in 2008?

 

I don't want to be picky but I do like to be picky. Sevastopol has been has been part of Russia since Russia founded it in 1783. I can't do the arithmetic but I think that's more than ten years.