Read this before you buy that electic vehicle

I dont understand the hatred for EV.. 3 years back I bought an electric bicycle - gets me to work everyday and apart from charging has no running cost. its about 3 miles to work and I can get there in about 10 mins. Plus on days off I can ride it up through the woods. Though I am in the UK - and things are different out in the US.

 

I read the NY Post every day and every now and them they have a story about a building or house fire that's tracked to the battery in an E bike starting it. People have died. That is the exception and not the rule.

A few weeks ago we had a hail storm and my neighbor with the Tesla was putting blankets on the car to protect it. I later asked him why he didn't put it in the garage and, as a car dealer, he's heard too many stories about them catching on fire and didn't want to take the risk.

I don't hate EVs, but their limitations say they're not for me.

 

Child labor. Yes

 

Let's see the Alabama law that allows slave labor. We'll wait.

 

I never said they did. You do realize people can see your prior posts, yes?

 

In all industries?

 

In building cars: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/

 

And this is legal?

 

It’s not “legal” in many of the places it occurs
Here is one that it is legal
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/06/boy-16-dies-sawmill-accident-wisconsin

 

Okay, so it’s illegal.

Child labor is legal in Pennsylvania however. All my kids worked during high school.

 

the horse and buggy folks put down the early ICE cars too

we need early adopters, yes, EV's come with some issues, but they are the future

 

Steam cars run by renewables are the future, actually.

 

yes I agree they do have limitations, but for general travel between work, shopping etc - for me its a no-brainer. yeah, I guess some might have caught fire, but i've also seen petrol generators explode, seen electrical fires from lose wiring and seen gas explosions... oh well, guess we all have to just take care and maintain the things we use.

 

What'd you say, then?

 

No, I would not like to have this discussion diverted into a discussion of child labor laws.
Start a new thread if you want.
In fact, if you can't focus, you should leave and get a cup of coffee or something.

 

It’s a good thing then that I don’t really care what you would like.
I am sure someone out there does though — or maybe not


The arrogance is fascinating though

 

They had to clear out an outpatient clinic at Johns Hopkins Children's Hospital a couple of days ago. The lithium batteries, the same type that goes into electric vehicles, that provide backup power for an MRI unit swelled and threatened to explode. The emergency unit had been called in, complete with hazmat suits to deal with the problem, and the building had to be completely evacuated. It took hours to deal with the problem.

I have often wondered what would happen to these EVs in a big accident. How about if the battery goes bad in your garage? I am old enough that I will be able to avoid these unwanted vehicles. The younger people would be so lucky.

 

I'd love a performance orientated EV for track use. This eliminates many of the issues with EVs: poor range, slow refuelling, risk of fire, etc. I saw a Pike's Peak run with a Tesla and it looked very nice indeed. Since I work at an auto shop I have had the chance to 0-60 a few different EV brands and it usually puts one hell of a smile on people's dials. Without a doubt their best aspect is 0-60 runs.

Less convinced on them as a daily and wholly unconvinced for commercial purposes or long distance touring.

 

I don't look at it that way, I look at it from the point of view of what an EV car's motor doesn't have:


An EV motor doesn't have the following parts that can break or wear out:

1. Pistons and Connecting Rods: In a combustion engine, pistons move up and down within the cylinders, converting the pressure from the combustion process into linear motion. The connecting rods transfer this motion to the crankshaft.
   
   
2. Crankshaft: The crankshaft converts the reciprocating motion of the pistons into rotational motion, which eventually drives the wheels of the vehicle.
   
   
3. Timing Belt/Chain: Combustion engines typically have a timing belt or chain that connects the camshaft to the crankshaft, ensuring precise valve timing.
   
   
4. Valves and Camshaft: The camshaft controls the opening and closing of the engine's intake and exhaust valves.
   
   
5. Timing Gear and Tensioner: These components are used to maintain the correct tension of the timing belt/chain.
   
   
6. Spark Plugs: In an ICE vehicle, spark plugs ignite the air-fuel mixture in the cylinders to create combustion.
   
   
7. Intake and Exhaust Manifolds: The intake manifold supplies the air-fuel mixture to the cylinders, while the exhaust manifold collects and directs exhaust gases away from the engine.
   
   
8. Cooling System Components: ICE vehicles have various parts like the water pump, radiator, thermostat, and hoses to manage engine cooling.
   
   
9. Transmission and Gearbox: Combustion engine vehicles have complex transmission systems to adjust torque and speed levels.
   
   
10. Clutch: In manual transmission vehicles, the clutch is used to engage and disengage power between the engine and the transmission.
    
    
11. Emission Control Components: ICE vehicles require components such as the catalytic converter, EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) valve, and PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) system to control emissions.
    
    
12. Exhaust System: The exhaust system includes pipes, mufflers, and tailpipes to channel and reduce noise from exhaust gases.
    
    
13. Fuel System Components: ICE vehicles have fuel injectors, fuel pumps, and fuel tanks to supply fuel to the engine.

The EV motor:

1. Rotor: The rotor is the rotating part of the electric motor. It is typically made of a permanent magnet or wound with coils. Over time, wear and tear can affect the efficiency of the rotor, leading to reduced performance.
   
   
2. Bearings: Electric motors have bearings that support the rotor's shaft and allow it to rotate smoothly. Continuous use can cause these bearings to wear out, leading to increased friction and potential motor failure.
   
   
3. Stator: The stator is the stationary part of the electric motor that houses the windings. Although it does not move, it can experience wear and tear due to heat and vibration, affecting the motor's performance.
   
   
4. Windings: The windings are the coils of wire wrapped around the stator. Over time, these windings can degrade or develop shorts, impacting the motor's efficiency and reliability.
   
   
5. Shaft: The motor's shaft connects the rotor to the drivetrain or transmission. It can suffer from wear and fatigue, especially in high-performance or heavy-use vehicles.

(Thanks AI for the data)

I don't see these wearing out in any big way like stuff on a gas motor vehicle.

Now I have a hybrid, and I've owned a few American cars. My 2018 Prius has 126k miles on it, and it runs as smooth as the day I bought it, new.

one tune up and oil changes every 5k miles., I still have yet to do a break job and I still get at least 50mpg. In a state that's $4.50 per gal, that's a godsend.

 

The electric car is credited as having been invented in the early 1830's, about thirty years before the gasoline engine was invented.

Now consider this- why do you suppose early motorists preferred gasoline cars?

 

You're thinking of a hybrid? Do EV cars have the same big battery systems that hybrid's have?

 

why the hate of electric powered vehicles??

dont forget, electric transport has been around a long time..example, san fransico streetcars and the NY subways

for many they are not a practical alternative to gas powered vehicles

but electric powered trucks/vans could be the optimal vehicle needed to some companies

for example, commercial delivery vehicles ..in this computer age each driver is given a route

it would only take a click to analyze the distance the vehicle will travel once loaded with it items

then after being driven all day it returns to a charging station to be charged all night during down time

obviously electric will have limited use, but when used by the thousands, it could save billions in fuel costs..

also, a delivery type vehicle could carry a larger battery than a compact car

and if anybody has tried to purchase the below 2023 models...I say good luck

ram city promaster or nissan 200nv or a ford transit connect or chevy city express

all the above have stopped production..

could it be the beginning of forcing consumers to go electric??

 

They still got an old renovated electric street car running through Ybor Florida, but the car is all fouled up with an advertising wrap last time I was there. It's still cool to see and ride it but you can't see out through the windows anymore. He gets to the end of the line, the conductor gets out and makes sure everybody is off the car, flips down one cable going up to the power line and puts up the cable on the other end of the car, which reverses the current to the DC motors, then lets everybody going back down the line board while he operates the car from one of the controls at each end front or back.

I don't hate electric. I hate being limited by the tyranny of regulation to electric.

I was at the hardware store today and they had a fooling air conditioner that hooks up to your fooling WIFI for sale. Maybe that's why they want electrical systems on a conveyance where mechanical systems are perfectly adequate. You can control most modern electrical systems, from your stove to your refrigerator with WIFI these days. Like how cops shut down brand new stolen gasoline cars remotely. Or how the power company is screwing with people's smart home thermostats. No thanks, I'm not interested in any WIFI air conditioner and I'm certainly not interested in a hackable personal vehicle.

 

Everyone can have their opinion ,fine, but I won't be buying one. What irks me though is government has to subsidize them. If EV's are such a good idea,let them stand on their own. They might even be efficient someday if we ever get nuclear power!

 

Not much of a future...lol


"A Rivian owner said repairs cost $42,000 for his R1T after a fender bender, according to The New York Times. A repair shop had to take apart the vehicle's interior ceiling, the Times reported. Everyday maintenance can be cheaper for EVs, but collisions and insurance can be costly."

https://www.businessinsider.com/riv...r-repair-bill-shocking-expensive-42000-2023-7