The 48 hours after Trump's third arraignment and why this is important.

So, forget which "side" you are on. Forget which side you support and which side you hate. Look at this like a real outsider with no dog in the fight.

Trump was indicted for a third time, this time by a Washington D.C. grand jury, on Tuesday, August 1st, 2023

Trump appeared for his arraignment on Thursday, August 3rd, 2023 at 4 pm local time.

And then, in just over 24 hours from Friday, August 4th to Saturday, August 5th, six things happened:

1.) On Friday, August 4th, 2023, Trump issued some threats on his Truth Social medium and this was like the face that launched a thousand ships. The first Truth message was: "If you go after me, I am coming after you". That is an unmistakeable threat. He also published a video targeting all of the prosecutors, including Fannie Willis, where a grand jury in Fulton Co., Georgia has not even indicted him yet.

2.) Just a few short hours afterward, the DOJ put forth a motion for a protective order pertaining to defendant Trump and used his threats from that very day to underscore the point that there must be a protective order to keep him from threatening witnesses. They used as a model for their protective order exactly the protective order that was used in DC for Steve Bannon, meaning there is already precedence, here.

3.) Early in the day on Saturday, August 5th, the judge (Chutkin) issued a minute-order that the defense must file their response to the DOJ's motion by today, Monday, August 7th, 2023 at 17:00 local time.

4.) Instead, on the same day (Saturday, August 5th, 2023), the defense put out a 5-page opposition paper, a motion to delay, essentially demanding a time extension from Monday (today) until Thursday, August 10th, 2023, also demanding a hearing.

5.) Within 2 hours, the DOJ filed its opposition to the defense's motion to delay, noting that had the defense actually used the time to prepare for Monday instead of writing a 5-day motion to delay, they could have easily gotten their work done.

6.) Within hours, yet another minute order from the Judge (Chutkin): the defense's motion for an extension was denied and the judge reminded that she, not the defense, decides when a hearing is necessary, that the defence must still file by today, August 7th at 5 pm local time.

It's all here, in chronological order:



So, the idea of delay, delay, delay is not going to work here.
Also, we are learning that the DOJ is watching everything that Trump does and is reacting in record time.

Also, there is now the open question as you whether or not Trump has already violated the conditions of his release following this third arraignment. The magistrate judge made it exceedingly clear to him that he cannot commit crimes, have inappropriate contact with witnesses or the jury (no jury or witness tampering) or threaten such.

On Sunday, August 6th (yesterday), Trump threatened former VP Pence, which appears to be a violation of terms of being free on his own recognizance:



It is more than obvious from the indictment that Pence will most definitely be a witness (whether he wants to or not).

It will be interesting to see what happens today. I am almost getting the feeling that Trump actually wants to be remanded into custody so he can make himself a martyr.

Either way, the next major court date is set for August 28th, 2023 in this case.

Stay tuned for an update.

 

So a threat to pursue legal remedy's over a blatantly political witch hunt has lefties panties all in a bunch? Good.

 

Yea, Trump loves legal remedys. That's why so many of his attorneys end up in legal trouble, and why he's went through about 50 attorneys in the past few years.

I'm sure Morris Bart has turned down calls from Trump.

 

Isn't this judge the one who was Hunter Biden's associate? She seems to have her rulings overturned a lot. I guess she never got the memo that this is a court with laws... There are several conversations going on about how mr Smith might be prosecuted for his misdeeds here. I suppose if the DOJ were so confident in their charges, that say moving the venue from ms Chutkin's kangaroo court, they would move it to say West Virginia at the invitation of the AG there. If the legal case against Trump is so bullet proof, it shouldn't matter where his trial is, right democrats?

 

He has suef and been sued with frequency. So...

 

Yea, i guess Rudy was just dealing with so many lawsuits that he ended up committing crimes by accident in all the hustle and bustle of being a big time lawyer.

 

Oh for pity's sake trumps been involved in legal actions for fifty years.

 

I'm sorry that you are pretending not to see the point.

 

How about a little compassion for the Old man? Now he has to testify in court.

 

Trump's aggrieved cult needing to vilify the "lefties" they find impervious to mega-doses of their Preparation H® ignore the reality that the multiple indictments against him are apolitical, neither Special Counsel Jack Smith, nor the Attorney General who appointed him, ever being liberal by any stretch of the imagination, neither ever having registered as a Democrat. In furtherance of the irrelevance of ideology, most of the evidence and testimony upon which the indictments are predicated has been provided by Republicans and features prominent members of the Trump regime with first-hand experience of his nefarious activities.

Trump bum kissers whining that Big Blue Meanies are persecuting their venerated sexual abuser is silly.

 

Yet another trap set by Antifa.

Trump should be allowed to testify without going under oath, just another example of a white male who claims to be a billionaire being persecuted.

 

boooguuus. No of what has been provided is actually illegal. In NYC he has been charged with calling payments to a lawyer legal fees. In Florida, he has been charged with acting like an ex president, in DC he has been charged with saying things Democrats don't like.,,,

 

Oh Jeez, here comes the race whining....brace for impact

 

Hopefully someone is there to catch you.

It won't be your cult leader Daddy Don though.

 

Your parroting the Loser's bleating is of no merit in the litigation.

Following grand juries finding the issuance of indictments to be in order, nothing is proven to be "actually illegal" until evidence and testimony is presented in a court of law, and the defense is given the opportunity to refute it.

Juries of the Loser/Sexual Abuser's peers, mutually acceptable to both prosecution and defense, will then deliberate and try to reach a verdict.

Some don't like it any more than they like democratic elections, but that is how the American system of justice works.

 

We must look at this from the balcony, not the in-your-face position that limits our perspective. The objective here has never been to enforce law, it's been to kill Trump politically. Every objection from Trump, every surge in strength, is met with a new string of allegations and threats to Trump. Trump gets stronger every time they attack him; they have yet to learn that they are the reason- that they are exposing themselves- and their weaknesses and their fears.

When any group has a lot of control over the media and the information the public can see- and of course, no moral compass- they can control what the public thinks.
They pile on the heat and the allegations- that is the leverage that is more powerful than any real evidence, assuming the "evidence" is not filtered to remove the exculpatory side, which it is.

Jan 5th- Trump asks Pelosi to bring in 10,000 National Guard troops to help keep order at the capitol because the crowd size was going to be massive.
Pelosi rejected the request, and reportedly- even cut back on some of the normal law enforcement.

WHY would she do that?
What benefit might be gained from less presence of authority, and to whom?
Was there a plan to turn the event into a weapon against Trump?

Given the agitators in the crowd who turned out to be there for just that purpose- and the fact that their role has been ignored in the efforts to say Trump tried to overthrow the government- A reasonable person knows without question that this was, like the dossier and a dozen other schemes- contrived to destroy Trump. The event was seen as an opportunity, and they used it and still are.

You have to ignore all your political biases to see the big picture. To recognize the actions and what they tell you, rather than the identities, personalities, and claims of their words.

What those actions tell me is that the left has no moral compass or reservations at all. They are controlled by fears and weakness, not strength and values.

That Trump- or more accurately the values he represents- scares them so bad that they are willing to abandon all conventional standards of honor and duty to the nation and do anything they can get by with to escape that fear.

At the same time, the same people are seeing their chosen leader revealed to be little more than a mob boss who uses political office for power and the ability to extort money..... and they are not concerned with that at all. That's because the crook who seems to have common interests with you- is serving your interests, and must not be seen as a crook.... lest it reflects on your own integrity and conscience.
Thus, denial, deflection, and coverup of the facts is vital. These aren't strong people, but weak people- who fear strength in anyone.

This whole thing is what's called a "Vendetta". It's the focused weapon of weak people who lack the courage to let anyone else be strong.
They don't see winning as performing with excellence- but destroying all those who embrace excellence.
A vendetta is created out of fear of losing power; fear of losing advantage, fear of losing control over people and their freedom- fear of not being able to survive in a just society, in a fair game.

That vendetta can be targeted at anyone- any group, any belief, any race that triggers their fears. Trump is only the target of the moment. If Trump were gone; the next most visible opposition to their power would become the new focus of evil. This is their weakness, the human nature in such people. They will always see evil they must kill to protect themselves- but they will never acknowledge the real evil is themselves. They need to feel stronger than others to be OK, and destroying the strength in others is the way to achieve that.

Regardless of who Trump is- or his existence- those people present a threat to America that exceeds anything in our history.
Trump won't be here forever. Weak people who seek power by unscrupulous means will be. They only succeed when they destroy all with the strength to resist them.

 

It's not "lefties" who are going to be testifying against him for his criminal behavior. It's his own minions who will be doing that.

So, ähm, lol

 

Preach, rant and rave all your heart desires.

I'll come back to your many, many "factual" inaccuracies later.

 

I am sensing that this thread is going to be very lively and engaged!

 

As the court-determined sexual abuser/failed casino operator/former schlock tv entertainer/purveyor of superhero-cards raves inanely in the media, substantive matters are being adjudicated. As previously noted, most of the damning testimony against the Loser will be provided by Republicans, and particularly those who served in the Trump regime with first-hand knowledge of his nefarious antics:

Bill Barr says he’s willing to testify against Trump at Jan. 6 trial
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End of reading post.
No he did not, that is just a lie that he tells debunked by numerous fact checkers. Took me about 30 seconds to find a list.

 

Don't bother. If you can't see the writing on wall, don't try telling others what it says
The vendetta is real, and that is a precise definition of what is happening.

 

More 2+2 equals 75. Get lost if you can't come with a remotely logical response.

 

The truth always has merit. It would be nice if every now and then you'd stumble across it.

 

And now he's left whine like a hit "doge" for a Judge and venue change.