I say Democrats will be to blame

I think both major parties have Trumpitis. That it’s all consuming among both major parties. One all for Trump, one all against Trump. Personally, I want Trump out of politics, but in today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship, as is always the case, someone else will replace Trump. In today’s modern political era, Republican look at Democrats as this nation’s number one enemy, Democrats look at Republicans as this nation’s number one enemy. More of an enemy that China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, terrorist, etc. Each major party believes the other is out to destroy America. Until we move out of this modern political era, both major parties may indeed accomplish that with their hate against the other.

 

I don't agree. I think it's Uniparty connected Elites vs US.

“I can’t help reading between the lines and seeing Luttig’s outrage that Trump broke the system in which the elite were thinking up the beliefs and values and principles and policy views and ordinary people were stuck with what was handed to them.

'It’s very nice for the elite to have the subjective experience of a ‘shared set of beliefs’ — to feel affirmed by this appearance of widespread agreement with their ideas. Trump activated the people who didn’t really share that set of beliefs, and now the elite is having the loathsome subjective experience of feeling pressure from those insubordinate people. But the elite will go on and on pretending that all they are seeing is that dangerous man Trump. He must be stopped, and America must be saved, by getting back to that old system that felt so right.”'

While the focus their hate and fear on Trump, who the truly hate and fear, is us.

 

The whole idea that Trump would end democracy and start a dictatorship is ridiculous. The man has a vast track record of picking people who are disloyal to him in important government positions. To take charge of the government, he would need to support of the military, FBI and CIA. The FBI and the CIA are influenced by left wing forces, not Trump supporters.

This is just another example of the left making January 6 into a mountain when it was really a very small mole hill. It was far from an American “Bastille Day.”

 

Elections are nothing more than tests of allegiance at this point. Trial balloons to see if divide and conquer is working as intended.

There are a lot of people sitting back laughing at a population that is not only willing but excited to vote for these clowns. They are saying things like “if we can get them to vote for the worst possible candidates, we can get them to do ANYTHING”.

 

Well, Biden certainly is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to presidential candidates. He’s not just mentally incompetent but also totally corrupt. Even Warren G. Harding still had his mental faculties, as limited as they were. Harding had sense enough to know that he was in over his head as President.

The Democrats tell us that they are the intellectuals. They are the party of the college educated voters and university professors. Yet they can’t come up anything better than a senile old man and silly giggle puss of a woman whose mind is incapable of stringing together two sentences that convey a coherent thought.

 

Good thing Trump wasn't trying to do that.

 

This is a very good time to push for Instant-Runoff Voting (IRV). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting Oh the joy of voting for whom you want and not give the election over to your worst fear by doing so. Honestly, most voters now vote for who they think can beat their worst nightmare candidate rather than who they think is the best candidate in their view. Too many elections are decided not in the favor of the majority. Let's say you have one candidate gets 40% and three others split 60%. If truth be known none of the 60% would like the guy with 40% to win yet currently that person would win. With IRV I vote in order of preference, When counting comes out is A 40%, B 35%, C 15%, D 10%. With IRV we toss votes for C and D because neither can get past A nor B and recount with who those voting for C and D had as their next choice and we find a recount of A 40% and B with a winning 60%. There no longer needs to be protest votes because this could easily create popular 3rd party candidates who win now but would have been spoilers only before.

 

On the other hand, what has anybody in Congress regardless of party actually put forward going back to Obama care that's anything but pork?

Been a long time since Congress has risked actually legislating. And that's by design.

 

If true, Trump’s obnoxious, rude, uncouth personality along with his very unpresidential behavior with his childish antics like name calling and throwing of temper tantrums along with his 3rd grade schoolyard bully tactics turned a lot of us against him. Especially independents who sided with Trump in 2016 with reservations, Trump won independents 46-42 over Clinton with 12% voting third party against both.


https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/national/president


Trump won independents as they did view Clinton as an elitist, aloof, know it all. But they still didn’t like Trump, the man, the individual as even in 2016. 57% of independents had a negative, unfavorable view of Trump. Only they held a more or higher negative view of Clinton. His 4 years as president lost even more independents, us folks, he lost independents to Biden 54-41, more of us leaving Trump. Mainly because Biden came across as the only adult in the room, behaving as folks thought a president should. Someone without childish antics or schoolyard bully tactics.


https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


Us seems to be confined to the Republican Party. Only 37% of independents have a positive or favorable view of Trump vs. 56% negative or unfavorable today. Us vs. the elites doesn’t seem to be the case among these non-affiliated, less to non-partisan group.


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/gr0zwln1rr/econTabReport.pdf


It could be Trump is the wrong messenger with the right message. If so, it is high past time the Republican Party recognize that fact. If it isn’t, then us remains confined within the GOP circles.

 

That’s exactly what happened in 2020. Biden won what I call the anti-vote. Those who voted against a candidate, not for any candidate, just against a candidate, who won was unimportant as long as the candidate they wanted to lose, lost, 68-30 over Trump. Believe it or not, Trump won the group who voted for a candidate because they wanted that candidate to win 53-46 over Biden. Biden became president mainly because more voters wanted Trump to lose than wanted Biden to lose.


https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


Elections these days have come down to voting for a candidate one least wants to lose. Not win, but least wants to lose. You’re correct. I blame both major parties for this.

 

It is to laugh. Your solution to one party Republican rule that is obvious nonsense is one party Democratic rule which we are already close to.

 

And that is in the process of flip flopping.

 

I agree if Trump comes back to power and end US democracy, It will be no one’s fault but anyone who loves democracy.

However I do not, I repeat I don’t advocate any kind of “executive orders, emergency powers, The Insurrection Act, the military” to protect democracy.

Democracy must be protected at the ballot box. In 2024 every Democrat, every American who believes in democracy and think Trump is threat to America must vote. Sitting at home and whine about “ I am not voting lesser of two evil” or “I am voting protest vote because both party are corrupt” is not option until this MAGA party is completely destroyed.

After all that if majority Americans elect Trump so be it. America doesn’t deserve democracy.

 

Only mechanism to defend democracy is ballot box. NOT “executive orders, emergency powers, The Insurrection Act, the military”

 

What else do you expect the democrats to do? Start shooting republicans dead? Oh wait! Biden's FBI already did that to a 75 year old disabled man for the crime of "mean tweeting while republican".
Witch hunts, murder and 2-tier system isn't enough? You want more? Sheesh! Might as well just bring back the gas chambers!
SICK!!!

 

And all Republicans have to do is nominate one of the other 8 republicans instead of Trump in 2024. All Republicans had to do in 2016 was pick a reasonably competent and honest alternative . There was Bush, Rubio, Carson, Rand Paul, Huckabee, Fiorina, Christie, Santorum and Kasich, Republicans decided who the standardbearer of their party was then and they do so again. Republicans are responsible for the integrity, intelligence, and competence of their nominee. Its their job to ensure their candidate is qualified for the office they want him to have.

And that is likewise true of the Dems, except in 2016, we were not provided as many choices ( O Malley and Sanders) In 2020 Republicans did not have any due to incumbancy, and in 2024 Dems do not.

 

Nope. US is those who will not kneel before illicit crooks attempting to wield illegitimate power. You're welcome to Bribed Biden and your knee pads.

If the choices is RFK or Trump, I'm voting RFK
If the choices is Trump or Biden, I'm voting Trump.

You seem to want to paint that as an "extremist" view, but, that last three major polls in the RCP have a race between Trump/Biden within the margin of error.

And I see you managed to get through your post to me without addressing my objections to OP which advocates a military coup if Dems lose the election.

Weird.

 

Yep. They are both just testing to see if they have made the public stupid and tribal enough to move on to the next step. If ya’ll keep voting for the lesser of evils, you will get increasingly evil folks elected.

 

Florida and Texas should be black, that chart falls flat. Why is Oregon not yellow or white. What a crock. How can a state that enforces the war on drugs, or has laws against body autonomy be considered free?

Florida and Texas are the most authoritarian states in the union. The most free areas typically arnt the prettiest.

 

You know, going online saying you plan to kill the president, vice president and any FBI agents that come to your door when the President is coming to town and you boast about your twenty guns it should not be a surprise that the FBI are a little testy approaching your door and maybe you don't come to the window armed?

 

Trump got way more death threats, how many people did the FBI put down due to THOSE threats???
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/severa...trump-secret-service-director-randolph-alles/

 

And how is that obvious?

 

Or maybe you don’t harass a man for free speech to begin with at his residence. If they were that scared why didn’t they approach him at his car or at the super market?

 

Hi, Steve N.

Charts such as the one you presented can be instructive. Their usefulness, however, depends upon the criteria used in their creation.

With the chart you posted, what were the criteria used in determining 'free'?

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . informed.

 

Not everyone subscribes to the "evil elites are gonna get you" line, especially when its being sold by someone who craps into a golden toilet, and literally personifies the concept of "elite".

2020 election was all about getting him out of the WH, it was never about getting Biden in it, but it seems like Trump didn't get the hint.