What is so attractive about Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton?

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    How. When. He conceded.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did he? Even after being told repeatedly by members of his inner circle he lost?
     
  3. Observing

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    yeah, I think he did. He may be delusional, but that is what I believe.
     
  4. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Sorry It takes no gymnastics to see what is obvious to any functioning brain. Every president takes crap loads of classified documents with him. And far more crap in DC is classified to keep it from embarrassing some bureaucratic wheel than to protect anything else.
     
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    And other members of that same inner circle said other wise.
     
  6. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    He hits back.
    After he selected fake electors and challenged the election results. If it's illegal now, it was illegal then. Right?
     
  7. Burzmali

    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't believe you. I don't believe that every president knowingly takes boxes of classified documents and then tries to hide them from NARA. I do believe that so many documents are classified that some individual pieces of classified material wind up in an outgoing president's belongings, but those presidents then turn them back over once they're found. Other than Trump, I'm not aware of any recent president trying to keep classified materials from being returned to the national archives.
     
  8. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Irrelevant. He had every right to say the election was rigged it's called free speech.
     
  9. dairyair

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    Yes.
    Now show your work.
     
  10. dairyair

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    Not on purpose.
    And when asked, they returned what wasn't theirs.

    Unlike trump. Who thinks he's above the law.
     
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    Well, for starters:
    Neither of them are Trump...
    That is ALL that matters...
     
  13. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    You didn't know about Al Gore's attempt to overturn the election in Florida?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-contested-examples-idAFKBN2781GK

    The news media defrauded The United States when they falsely reported that Gore won Florida. Gore wanted a recount, but only a recount of certain counties. The Supreme Court ruled the recount unconstitutional. According to you, that's a crime.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Good leaders are involved and know what's going on.
     
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    Like physically involved, Trump level involved?
    I dont think so. Thats called crowding and leads to having too many chefs in the kitchen so to speak. When that happens and stuff obviously starts going wrong, the top brass starts the blame game. Qualified people get fired, moral goes down, etc. As exampled with Trumps term.
     
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  16. Pants

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    Experience. Yes, I'm aware that people will come here and bash my response. Likely saying that they are 'experienced in corruption' or involvement in the deep state. But I have to ask...why do we want to hire the best experienced people when staffing our companies but half the country wants inexperience when it comes to running the country? Not only inexperience, but willfully ignoring the requirements of the job (like reading PDBs). He probably wouldn't be in half the trouble he faces today if he had some understanding of what he could and could not do while in office.
     
  17. Zorro

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    It was stolen. The CIA/FBI lied. They plied social media for a year, while they had the laptop in their possession and had verified it was Hunter's and NOT Russian disinformation, but they went around and prepped Social Media for this big something that was going to happen close to the election, involving Hunter, that was Russian disinformation, their plan worked, Social Media promptly banned it, even the WH account was suspended for forwarding the accurate news article. The lying CIA then released a letter with 51 liars claiming it was Russian disinformation before the presidential debates, which Bribed Joe pointed to deflect on the issue, on the debate stage, on live television. They coordinated all this specifically to steal the election from Trump and hand it to Joe.

    The difference here, is too many of you all are claiming its a crime to protest a stolen election. Which is ridiculous, but is that really new for you all? Too many of you folks have a habit of getting caught claiming that absurd lies are "truth" and disagreeing with you all is disinformation or even a crime. Remember when a bunch of folks were claiming that if you didn't get the vaccine that you were 'murdering' people because if enough of us got vaccinated we would achieve 'herd immunity' from this 'naturally occurring' disease that jumped from bats to a meat market and had nothing to do with deliberate human engineering, or the bioweapons research labs in Wuhan or Fauci's clandestine funding, even while we were still getting plied on fake news media that Trump was a Putin pawn who 'stole' the election from Hillary?

    Obviously the Left isn't going to stop this coordinated attack on Trump, which began the day he announced and continued with Biden and Obama, in the outgoing WH engaging in a criminal conspiracy to illegally use the FBI in an attempt to drive him from office, effectively overturning the 2016 election based on a bunch of lies that the CIA told them were put together by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now, in the time compressed schedule between the election and J6, Trump may have gotten some of the details wrong about how the election was stolen from him, but the election was stolen from him, and this coordinated political attack is intended to steal the 2024 election from him.

    This isn't difficult to see, in fact, if you don't see it, you are deliberately not seeing it, so, don't be surprised if you see polling going against you, and we all know how the Left doubles and triples down a bad strategy, as it fails we'll have a steady stream of more indictments thrown at Trump for the duration.

    HMM: Mark Meadows Files To Remove Georgia State Prosecution To Federal Court.

    Note this key line: “Nothing Mr. Meadows is alleged in the indictment to have done is criminal per se: arranging Oval Office meetings, contacting state officials on the President’s behalf, visiting a state government building, and setting up a phone call for the President. One would expect a Chief of Staff to the President of the United States to do these sorts of things…. This is precisely the kind of state interference in a federal officials' duties that the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution prohibits, and that the removal statute shields against.”'

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    Apparently this is "news" to this idiot prosecutor you were so happy with and this ridiculous Grand Jury that set your heart aflutter.

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    'This is an important point of Constitutional law. It's found in 1 of the 1st cases 1st year law students study: McCulloch v. MD, decided in 1819. A holding of the case is that state actions cannot bind the federal govt, setting the stage for immunity for federal officers.'

    It's been good law and binding precedent for over 200 years, so why would any of these yahoos be aware of it?
     
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  18. Pants

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    I'm sorry that's been your experience. In mine, all the great leaders understood and deployed the art of delegation. A leader (like a general) is the one with the vision (strategic) and the foot soldiers were the tacticians. How are people supposed to learn and grow if they are not given tasks?
     
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    NOTHING. They have a D in front of their names. That’s it. No one voted FOR them. They voted against Trump because the MSM lied to them and they were duped. Not saying Trump was great. He’s impulsive and abrasive and the bluster is annoying. I don’t mind the stupid honesty though. But sure isn’t anything close to as bad as Leftists preach and he is NOTHING compared to politicians who’ve spent their entire adult lives in DC like the Clintons and Bidens.

    Don’t people understand the dirt and control you gain when you’ve been there that long. It’s hilarious when Leftists claim Trump had power in DC:) True power lies in all the other people in all those other jobs that will do your bidding. Many of those HATED Trump because he was revealing the corruption. He didn’t NEED DC. That’s the difference. Clinton, Biden? What do they have besides their DC contacts? It’s their whole lives? Trumps independence from all that **** is what scares these drones and zombies. They might have to actually work and serve the people? Oh god!!! The horror!!!

    The debate when Clinton actually accused Trump of paying less taxes says the WHOLE story. He exposed that **** on day 1. Admitted of course he pays the least he can and SO DOES SHE and everyone else. But she speaks like she doesn’t. That’s called pure SCUM. He blew her **** up in one sentence. And Leftists still just blindly walk off cliffs.
     
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    Clinton left a but load of documents in an abandoned garage in Arkansas the difference is that Nara didn't give a damn what they took but because Trump is Trump the same Nara that never before gave a crap what any president took with them got their panties in a bunch over what Trump took.
     
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    I'm against criminalizing free speech and political disagreements.

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    Trump Is Not Guilty Of Racketeering; The Deep State Is.

    And that includes Crooked Hillary and Bribed Joe.

    'if anyone needs to be charged with criminal racketeering conduct in 2020, it should be the Deep State that should be indicted. Here are six extraordinary examples of collusion that propelled candidate Biden who had lost the first three primary races to miraculously become the Democratic nominee and then win the general election, though he hardly ever left his Delaware basement. '

    https://tippinsights.com/trump-is-not-guilty-of-racketeering-the-deep-state-is/
     
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  22. garyd

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    Utter nonsense they all knowingly take a lot of stuff literally tons and it is their right to do so.
     
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    LOL :roflol:

     
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    It's not complicated. They've never committed any crimes, and Biden is a very successful president.

    Remember, your side's gaslighting doesn't work on intelligent people. We're in touch with reality, so we know with 100% certainty that your side always lies about the supposed crimes of Biden and Clinton.

    The interesting question is _why_ your side tells such stupid lies, given how doing so annihilates their credibility. Is the brainwashing that complete, or do they know that they're lying?
     
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    Link? Like I said, I don't believe you. Feel free to provide evidence.
     

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