Nancy Pelosi withheld the guards for 71 minutes. She was directly responsible allowing the breach.

What?? That makes zero sense

 

She was angry. This is free speech and she was not prosecuted because she didn’t actually “punch him out” what she was angry about were the trespassers who she saw as being his fault

 

I don't care what makes sense to you. Your lack of imagination is enough and there is enough evidence in video of that day showing them attacking innocents. Not only attacking innocents but, allowing people in going as far as to open the doors or wave them forward. The purpose was to create this illusionary event of a burned and invade capitol building to call it an insurrection. It never happened. It was thousands of boomers following a crowd of people as the police shot grannies and children.

 

LOL-- What you quote from your "report," is not a direct quote, from a knowledgeable, nonpartisan source. The list of those in charge of this piece of propaganda, tells us all we will need to know:


Prepared at the direction of:
Congressman Jim Banks (R-IN)
Congressman Rodney Davis (R-IL)
Congressman Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Congressman Kelly Armstrong (R-ND)
Congressman Troy Nehls (R-TX)


*If you are faulting some Democratic staffers, for leaving Republican staffers out of the loop, it seems odd that you have no problems with a Report, prepared under the exclusive oversight, of Republicans.

So we are already a long way from your initial claim, that former Chief of the Capitol Police, Sund, had said that Speaker Pelosi had a part in the denial by the Capitol Police Board, of Sound's request for assistance, prior to January sixth. But to defend your contention, you are citing a line out of the purely Republican report, privately prepared-- and meant to counter the exhaustively and fairly publicly researched, January 6 Committee's report-- saying that a couple of Pelosi's staffers sat in on security planning. This does not mean, FYI, if Sund had made his request to the Board, in person, that they had at that time, been in the room, or if it had been a written request, that the Pelosi staffers would have been privy to it.

As usual, a massively failed deception, on your part.

 

Yes, let us listen to him tell us, that Sargeant-at-arms Irving, when Sund requested National Guard support, said that "Quote, I don't like the optics, and besides, the intelligence reports didn't support it."

Then, Sund goes on to speculate that, "His statement about the optics goes back, I believe, goes back to Nancy Pelosi's decision, err, statement-- she referred to federal agents and National Guard on the streets, as 'storm troopers'."

So, recap: It was Paul Irving, who said that he didn't like the optics. Sund is tying this to Pelosi, not at that time, but suspects that Irving's opinion was influenced from having heard Pelosi, the previous summer, when Trump had government forces, not in uniform, countering protestors, calling those forces on American streets "storm troopers."

Thanks for proving to us all, just how much Madame Pelosi had been involved in the denial on January 3rd, for National Guardsmen to be at the Capitol on the sixth: back in the summer of the previous year, she had referred to non-uniformed, federal law enforcement, deployed by Trump against protestors out in American cities (not besieging the Capitol), as "storm troopers," and Sund believes that Irving may have had that comment still in mind, six months later, while appraising Sund's request, and giving "the optics," as one of his reasons for not approving the request-- along with the reason, that intelligence reports did not support the request.

 

Police shot grannies and children?

Was that before, or after, they wanted to hang mike pence?

 

"Run it up the chain to Pelosi".... you are dismissed... when you try to leave out the crucial parts..... I will not play these games with you.
11:40 ish.... 13:35... 14:45....
Run it up the chain.... Pelosi was the chain...

 

Prepared at the direction of:
Congressman Jim Banks (R-IN)
Congressman Rodney Davis (R-IL)
Congressman Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Congressman Kelly Armstrong (R-ND)
Congressman Troy Nehls (R-TX)

I wonder how one-sided these extreme partisans are being? Hmmm?

Now, for some FACTS:


https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/21/poli...an-nancy-pelosi-january-6-security/index.html

There are some claims that Speaker Nancy Pelosi was responsible for the security presence at the US Capitol on January 6, 20211. However, according to fact-checking sources, the Speaker of the House is not in charge of Capitol security. That responsibility falls on the Capitol Police Board, which oversees the US Capitol Police and approves requests for National Guard assistance. Jane L. Campbell, president and CEO of the US Capitol Historical Society, stated that “the Speaker of the House does not oversee security of the US Capitol, nor does this official oversee the Capitol Police Board”. Additionally, according to testimony from the former Capitol Police chief, Pelosi was not involved in the decisions made ahead of January 6 regarding the National Guard.


Speaker Pelosi is mentioned three times in this statement by the Capitol Chief of Police, and, each time, in a positive light.


https://context-cdn.washingtonpost....172/note/be976adb-2f01-4433-bbfb-e177a10e6c57.

Written Testimony of USCP Former Chief of Police Steven A. Sund before the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration and the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee

(see link for full text)
The breach of the United States Capitol was not the result of poor planning or failure to contain a demonstration gone wrong. No single civilian law enforcement agency – and certainly not the USCP – is trained and equipped to repel, without significant military or other law enforcement assistance, an insurrection of thousands of armed, violent, and coordinated individuals focused on breaching a building at all costs. Without the intelligence to properly prepare, the USCP was significantly outnumbered and left to defend the Capitol against an extremely violent mob. The officers from the USCP and our partner agencies fought valiantly that day against tremendous odds. I am extremely proud of these officers for their heroic response and also for their restraint in the application of lethal force. While, tragically, there were causalities on this day, the loss of life could have been far worse if it had not been for the professionalism and restraint shown by the officers that day.

You are dismissed.

 

Interesting how suddenly this video isn't available... Seems like telling the truth and allowing the public to see the truth is now verboten as decided by the overlords at the Google....

 

It says it was removed by the channel owner, 'the uploader'. if it were Google, it would have said something 'removed in violation of terms of service" or something similar, eh?

 

Sund blames the Seargent at Arms, not Pelosi.

Fail. In fact, Pelosi's only role is as the person who appoints the Sergeant at Arms, she is not in a supervisory/participatory role, and that is made clear on the CP's own website, which lists the Board who oversee the CP, she is not listed on the chart.

Additionally, Sund made a statement:

Speaker Pelosi is mentioned three times in this statement by the Capitol Chief of Police, and, each time, in a positive light.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost....172/note/be976adb-2f01-4433-bbfb-e177a10e6c57.

Written Testimony of USCP Former Chief of Police Steven A. Sund before the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration and the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee

(see link for full text)
The breach of the United States Capitol was not the result of poor planning or failure to contain a demonstration gone wrong. No single civilian law enforcement agency – and certainly not the USCP – is trained and equipped to repel, without significant military or other law enforcement assistance, an insurrection of thousands of armed, violent, and coordinated individuals focused on breaching a building at all costs. Without the intelligence to properly prepare, the USCP was significantly outnumbered and left to defend the Capitol against an extremely violent mob. The officers from the USCP and our partner agencies fought valiantly that day against tremendous odds. I am extremely proud of these officers for their heroic response and also for their restraint in the application of lethal force. While, tragically, there were causalities on this day, the loss of life could have been far worse if it had not been for the professionalism and restraint shown by the officers that day.
You are dismissed.

 

Go to the Capitol Police website, it lists the chain of command, none of which lists Pelosi.

https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight

The United States Capitol Police (USCP) is overseen by the Capitol Police Board and has Congressional oversight by appropriations and authorizing committees from the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate. This oversight affords the Department the support and opportunity to continually ensure that the USCP meets the safety and security needs of the Congress, the staff, and the many visitors who come to the United States Capitol each day.


Capitol Police Board

• Karen H. Gibson, United States Senate Sergeant at Arms (Chair)
• William McFarland, Acting U.S. House of Representatives Sergeant at Arms (Member)
• Chere Rexroat - Acting Architect of the Capitol (Member)
• J. Thomas Manger, Chief of Police (Ex-Officio Member)

Congressional committees are also listed, but note that congress's role has NOTHING to do with supervision of day to day operations, is NOT part of the command structure, and is confined to legislative purpose regarding oversight.

But, of course, facts don't matter when your objective is to ignore facts in order to promote a dismal right wing agenda.

 

Another day, another Jan 6th thread. Supposedly the ONLY riot in history

 

Nope.... here is just another example that Pelosi is the overseer and directly has input in the guard being "requesting"...

if they did not need Pelosi permission.... why did they ask for her permission?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/21/us/politics/capitol-riot-security-delays.html

https://archive.li/h8e4D

 

You need to listen to the video
"Run it up the chain to Pelosi"....
11:40 ish.... 13:35... 14:45....
Run it up the chain.... Pelosi was the chain...

 

Here is another

 

You mean a crime is less of a crime if the cops are not present?

 

No... my claim still stands.... there are to many people that back my side with documentation that Pelosi (McConnel also) was the overseer and had direct input into the lack security and withheld the guard .....

rodney davis letter pelosi guard
""As Speaker of the House, you are the most senior elected official in the House of Representatives and therefore ultimately responsible for all House operations, not just those of your party. You appoint all House officers, who serve at your pleasure. You yield enormous institutional power over how Congress operates, including the security posture of the Capitol complex. ""
https://saraacarter.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Pelosi-Letter.pdf

 

Now that's a high bar from you..... LMAO.

 

LOL....

 

Directed at Congress, in the nation's Capitol-- yes, this is the only time that has happened (so far).

 

So your case boils down to, Pelosi was responsible, because some Republican Representative said so? By that standard, Rep. Maxine Waters has said that Trump belongs in prison-- so should we lock him up right now, based on just her word (the way you want us to accept the claim of Rep. Rodney Davis)?

 

Depends on if you were that boomer instigator telling people to storm the capitol building that is still protected today from prosecution. As for everyone else that was there they just wanted to see what was going on and if there was intent to kill those police wouldn't have been spared. Instead we had reports of the tragic death of one of the capitol police days later from the heart attack he suffered after the event ended. Just a boomer tour of sticking within the lines to view the works of arts, feds breaking windows to get people inside, and curious folk who had no idea what was happening 20 people deep up until they were shot without warning.

 

Here's an analysis of your article:

The lengthy article you've provided offers an in-depth account of the events on January 6th and the response by law enforcement and security officials, including the decision-making process that led to the delay in deploying the National Guard to the Capitol.

The specific request that appears to be central to your question (or rather, your claim) is the one made by Capitol Police Chief Sund to Paul D. Irving, the House sergeant-at-arms at the time, for the urgent deployment of the National Guard. The article details a series of delays, miscommunications, and confusions that occurred between security officials and congressional leaders, culminating in a considerable delay in deploying the National Guard.

Here's a summary of the points relevant to your question:

1. Nature of the Request: The request was for the immediate deployment of the National Guard to the Capitol to assist with controlling the rioters. This was made by Capitol Police Chief Sund, who then faced delays and confusion in getting the request approved.
   
   
2. Pelosi's Role: The article outlines that the request for the National Guard was brought to Speaker Nancy Pelosi's staff at 1:40 p.m., and she approved the request at 1:43 p.m., inquiring whether Senator Mitch McConnell also needed to approve it. Pelosi's office seems to have acted promptly once informed of the request.
   
   
3. Chain of Command and Responsibility: The article does not suggest that Pelosi was in the chain of command responsible for the day-to-day operations of the Capitol Police or that the delay in deploying the National Guard was her fault. Instead, the delay seems to have resulted from multiple factors, including confusion over who had the authority to call for the National Guard, hesitations from security officials over the "visual" of the military guarding the Capitol, and a complex approval process. McConnell's staff also maintains that political leaders are not in the chain of command for requesting National Guard troops, and there seems to be an expectation that security officials should have acted more decisively and promptly.

The Republicans' claim that Pelosi is in the chain of command and that the delay was her fault is not supported by the information provided in this article. While there are certainly failures and lapses in communication and decision-making highlighted, the article does not attribute these specifically to Pelosi, nor does it provide evidence that she was responsible for the day-to-day operations of the Capitol Police.

In the oft cited video where Sund is being interviewed by Hannity, where Hannity tries to steer Sund into admitting that Pelosi is responsible, Sund never actually affirms that contention, he actually blames it on the Sergeant at Arms.

 

Psst, no, she isn't.