The Best thing of all about the GA Indictment...

I suppose if they had tried the "alternative law" approach that would have invoked the "alternative facts" drivel that became a national joke. Then again given the gibberish some of his lawyers were blathering about they might have been channeling alien law from another planet.

 

Then what is stopping you from sharing it with us here?

 

Don't make more of my post than sits there. You did not read an argument not to proceed with these trials. I still don't think he's likely to end up doing any jail time, but that does not mean I don't want prosecutors not to try their damnedest to put him in there. The more indictments that get filed in different courtrooms the more co-defendents see their lives in tatters, and the more likely that Trump will end up throwing snake eyes, and end up with one of those juries being clean. The more trials that go on simultaniously the more he has to be on the legal defensive, rather than on attack and the more money he spends and the more mistakes he will make out of desperation.

I don't want folks to get their hopes up too high, and blame these prosecutors when things go belly up. These cases are all uphill battles that require an awful lot of good luck and near perfect legal tactics and strategies to avoid the appelate court quagmire. Regardless, its just the right thing for a prosecutor to do. The essence of our judicial system is that everyone can be held accountable including all these wealthy entitled rich sycophants of his, and these are the kinds of white collar crimes where the deterrence value of ruining reputations, and piling on legal fees, can still make a huge dent.

Imagine the consequences to our republic if none of these charges were fully investigated and no charges were brought!

 

No, you're convincing yourself it is the right thing to do because it's already your natural inclination. Whatever the Democrats are does not change what Trump is or what he's done. Using your logic, we shouldn't punish Biden either, or any politicians for that matter, since you apparently believe when you've been elected you can do whatever you want and if someone tries to hold you responsible for it they are interfering in an election or engaging in politically motivated prosecutions.

Just because Trump is a piece of garbage does not make the Democrats any better, so really what you need to be doing is finding a candidate worth voting for.

 

I'm pretty sure Georgia is 5-20 years, no less is available to the court. I suppose maybe they could make it home confinement out of respect for his age but that would be so cruel to Melania. Of course the judge could tell her that she must not enter the grounds to which she'll be dancing.

 

These ARE the CONSEQUENCES for NOT bringing CHARGES against Nixon!

The GOP made a nefarious self serving decision to let him OFF the hook for his CRIMES against We the People while he was in the Oval office. They knew they would lose in 1976 anyway but by NOT holding Sticky Dick Nixon to account they set a PRECEDENT that enabled Bush jr to commit War Crimes that were never prosecuted either.

The GOP flatly REFUSED to hold the Biggliest Loser accountable during his term in office TWICE when he committed HIGH CRIMES and insurrection is about as high as they get.

So I don't need to imagine anything because we are LIVING with those CONSEQUENCES right here and now.

It will be a TRAVESTY of justice if he doesn't end up behind bars where he belongs.

Your point that things can, and do, go wrong in the legal process is valid however this is not the OJ Simpson trial, this was TREASON against the duly elected government of We the People.

This case is one of the most SIGNIFICANT in the history of our nation. We cannot afford to NOT hold him FULLY accountable to the Law of the Land.

 

Its not the indictments. It is the timing and the number at the time he would start campaigning and when things are heating up on Biden.

 

One of the best things for me is the indictment of Trevian Kutti for trying to intimidate Ruby Freeman in to saying she committed voter fraud. Freeman being one of the more tragic victims of the "criminal enterprise."

 

Trump Allies Already Suggesting Georgia GOP Should Change State Law To Pardon Trump

In the wake of the Fulton County grand jury indictment of Donald Trump and 18 of his allies, Republicans and MAGA fiends are pulling out the usual stops to decry the ever-mounting list of charges against the former president. Some are calling for “civil war”; others are claiming that they fear it may now somehow be illegal to watch TV.

But at least one MAGA pal is raising a more concrete plan of action to shield the four-times-indicted former president from legal accountability in Georgia: Write a Trump loophole into the law. Lawyer and commentator Mike Davis, who is a former law clerk for Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and former aide to Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), took to Fox News last night to argue that Georgia Republicans should rally together to change state law so Trump can be pardoned.

If Trump is ultimately convicted on the racketeering charge under Georgia’s RICO Act statute, he does not, at the moment, have a clear path to a pardon under Georgia law — he cannot by pardoned by a U.S. president, nor can he be pardoned by a Georgia governor.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/where...a-gop-should-change-state-law-to-pardon-trump

 

No. That pretense does not work for me or most American, no more than the Loser's persistent lie that he won in a "landslide!"

The conspiracy to deny the will of the People has been well-documented and is being litigated under the strictures of our justice system. Georgia's conservative Republican Governor has stated the matter concisely from his perspective:

“The 2020 election in Georgia was not stolen.
For nearly three years now, anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward
– under oath – and prove anything in a court of law.

Our elections in Georgia are secure, accessible,
and fair and will continue to be as long as I am governor.
The future of our country is at stake in 2024 and that must be our focus.”
​

... and conservative Constitutional scholar Michael Luttig, among others, has expressed his fidelity to the nation in no uncertain terms:
​

“There is no more important issue facing America and the American people – and to the very functioning of democracy –
than whether the former president is guilty of criminally undermining America’s elections and American democracy
in order to remain in power notwithstanding that the American people had voted to confer their power upon the former president’s successor,
President Joseph Biden.”
Nothing less is at stake than the American experiment in democracy and democratic government
that began with our nation’s founding almost two hundred and fifty years ago.”​

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Home confinement is NOT an effective punishment for trying to overthrow the government. Put him in a cell where he belongs and grant him unlimited family visitation rights instead. That should be respectful of his age because he can still as much of his kids and grandkids as he wants.

 

You honestly believe any of them would visit? If cameras are verboten I don't see a chance in hell any of them will take the time.

 

If you manage to get a conviction, that's just a foot in the door.
He will stay out 'pending appeal' until he's dead and buried. The strategy is to make motion after motion after motion during trial, and play the clock down for the next several years appealing those decisions

 

I remember when Trump fired Comey the WH released an ever shifting rationale for having done so. As I recall they even tried to pin the blame on Rod Rosenstein. Currently, the same thing is happening with statements defending Trump's efforts to overturn the election. "Novel legal approaches" being one of the more laughable ones.
In the end, because there is no defense for what Trump did, they should go back to the tried and true..........."yes he did it but it doesn't matter because Dear Leader." They've had a lot of success with that.

 

Precisely my point, put his family in the situation where they become the focus of people abandoning him to rot. That will make it acceptable for others to leave him behind and move on with their lives.

Nothing will be more of a punishment for the EgoAddict than to have NO ONE wanting to come and see him.

 

Georgia could be tough on him as state court won't waste a lot of time but even the feds will get a "no passport" on him after the first conviction pending appeal. You just know Putin is going to invite him for a visit within days of his losing of the passport.

 

Been playing those silly games for years with contractors that he never paid but he is no longer the one calling the shots. He is limited by his own shortcomings to having 3rd rate (at best) lawyers up against 1st rate prosecutors and one who is playing quantum legal chess to his Monopoly Get Out of Jail Free card. I have little doubt Jack Smith has already gone over every single possible defense claim and preempted as many of them as he could in the original indictment. The rest he has a quick response team loaded with everything they need to take down the defense motions in the shortest time necessary.

The Jailbird Jackass can and will appeal to the SCrOTUS but they have not demonstrated much in the way of "loyalty" to date. Roberts can make his own rules when it comes to which cases the court hears and if he decides that the 3 Turd appointees cannot vote on taking up these cases he can allow lower court rulings to stand.

Yes, this is all games for time but I believe there is a point where he must start serving while awaiting appeals.

 

That is the whole problem. It has gone beyond normal punishment behind bars to trying to affect him mentally. That might be OK with you, but that takes it into the realm of cruel and unusual punishment which is not Constitutional.

 

And it is a state crime. Hypothetically if the accused's political party is in federal power and the FBI/justice/political entities want to quash it, the state should just let them? And I understand it to be that the crimes were crimes occurred after the vote counting and not during the election. The costs of holding an election falls on the states, to believe that the person who is paying for something should not control it I cant get behind.

 

Lack of necessity. It is all over the news.

 

Then provide a link to a credible news source substantiating your allegation

 

And election fraud in Georgia . . . defrauding Georgia . . . is a state crime. Catch up. This ain't rocket surgery.

 

There is no threat of cruel and unusual punishment here. In fact, Trump has been treated with kid gloves this entire time. "But facing indictments makes him sad" is the shittiest argument possible, and it is ALL you have. And no one defending Trump at this point gives two shits about the Constitution. It is logically impossible to do so. He tried to overthrow the Constitutional process and YOU want him to get away with it.

 

The election was already over. They were counting votes for a national election, not a state election. It was a federal crime which should be investigated by the FBI and, if justified, indicted by the federal DOJ.

 

Answer this. Do you have any actual evidence such a thing is true?

"A Republican politician said so" is not actual evidence, yet it's the only thing I can find to support that claim.

Show me the actual records. If they exist, that shouldn't be a problem.