Fewer young people can afford to have a car

That's not necessarily true. It is more complicated.
But we are not going to continue to have that conversation in this thread. How about start another thread?

 

Seems you don’t know what a “sole proprietorship” is.

 

Perhaps. But not all children are so lucky. I am speaking from experience, with one parent who routinely worked 60 hours a week and another who worked almost full time but had very low energy and was too exhausted to want to drive their children anywhere for anything that was non-essential. Paradoxically, the one who was willing to drive their children anywhere was the one who often was never home or did not get back until very late in the day.
You also have to remember a lot of children, by the time they reach their teen years, are living in single parent households these days, which is another reason why parents often have to work more and are more exhausted.

 

Right on, brother. There aren't a whole lot of owner/operators of farms and ranches anymore in this country, but I'm all in favor of them and their right to grow what they wish, and sell it on an open market. The same goes for their right to spend their money any way they wish. We surely have no disagreement whatever about this guy and the "farm". Long live the ownership of private property -- because this principle of our economy is a large part of what did make America "great" back when America really WAS "great", from top to bottom.

 

I do know what a sole proprietorship is. What is the relevance?

 

It had its place and it did its job. (private property). But time marches on and 'there ain’t no going back.'

 

LOL!!!

 

That's not actually an argument.

 

Ooh... I think I've heard this general kind of sentiment before -- "What's mine is mine and what's YOURS is mine, too!" Sound about right? And, since real socialists own little or nothing of consequence, they have little or no "skin in the game" of the whole work-reward paradigm -- so, they just bum a living off of the people who have been industrious and consequently DO have something.

But, realistically, what did we expect would happen in a world whose population more than doubled in just the last fifty years?!

 

WTF are you talking about? I can make it up on the fly too. But I don’t post such tripe.

 

A 'new' car. Why would one think a young person should be ABLE to afford a 'new' car? Expectations, fed into a long stream of 'deserve', fed by the wrong thinking that people should have what they can't afford.

My first car, at the age of 18, was a car manufactured the same year I was born. I (not my parents) paid $500 dollars for it, the paint came off it every time I washed it, it vapor locked when the summer temps got over 80 degrees, but it got me to work and back again, eventually.

That is reality, not a young person expecting the newest from the start.

 

You relegated 'private property' to some kind of bygone age, so, what were others supposed to make of your post? The only factions I know of who reject privately owned property are Socialists and Communists.

 

You really don’t get this do you. Try not to read anything INTO what I posted and you might stand a chance of understanding what I said.

You took three positions saying three judgmental things in post 84 and they were all bullshit.

 

OK, not much point in trying to argue this with you. SO, please tell us what you actually meant in your Post #81. You wrote it in response to my Post #79, but now you seem outraged at my comment on your comment. It seemed quite UNAMBIGUOUS, so, I'm a bit confused, although I always made "A's" in English during my 16 years of education....

 

So...we're doing away with private property now? That's the big plan?

 

Their motto: "You will own nothing, and you will be happy"

" 'You will own nothing and you will be happy.' This may sound like a crazy idea, but it's something that more and more people are starting to believe in."

You Will Own Nothing And Be Happy Now (Great Reset) | by Isaiah McCall | Yard Couch | Medium, Isaiah McCall, July 16, 2022
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Another one of the wacky ideas becoming prevalent among many on the Left. If not explicitly, then equivalent in their mentality.

 

Sad state of affairs.

 

It doesn't really matter whether Kode's position is coming from "Door #1", "Door #2", or "Door #3". The first 'door' is Socialism; the second one is Communism. The real question perhaps is what could possibly be behind "Door #3"?

Maybe the best guess is that Kode's "Door #3" might open onto a scenario that looks a LOT like that described in George Orwell's masterpiece, "1984"... but we won't know until/unless Kode decides to let us know.

One thing's for sure, in Orwell's "1984", unless you were an "Inner-Party Member" or a particularly well-placed "Outer-Party Member", you most likely were not (NOT) a "homeowner".

 

I've sat here and read a bunch of so called "reasons", seen statistics, opinions of the economic situation.
The factors mentioned are there, just not the main factor.

Young people today live and breathe online.
This has affected them socially, as in less dating, marriage, having a family, children. It's affected their human interaction skills, they cant deal woth face to face problems.
It's affected them economically.
They dont have the time or drive to go out.
In my youth, a car was a way to get a date, or go look for female companions.
Todays youth just watch porn and chill out in the basement.

 

A lot of us are very tolerant and we respect the rights of others to do what they like, so long as they're not breaking the law. That includes the right to "watch porn and chill out in the basement". It also includes the right to apply for and get student loans, which they can use to major in subjects of their choice.

But, everything else notwithstanding, they OWE that money they BORROWED, period. They must pay, and it's bullshit to suggest that their loans should be "forgiven" by any political regime (in return for votes, of course).

 

Agreed on the loans.

Maybe i didnt make myself clear;

I feel the main reason that young people drive, date, marry, etc. less, is thst they spend their time online in an alternate version of reality, including expectations.

Leave the house, go to work; can afford a car. Not a new one, who the hell gets a new car as their first?
Buy an older used one, that will provide transportation to work, social events, you know, REAL WORLD stuff.
They would be surprised.....

 

All additional factors supporting the realization that this system is failing.

In addition, you make me miss my sweet, sweet little white Scottie girl, Caitie. She was the best.

 

Fewer cars is good.

Younger Americans are following the example of advanced, European nations regarding dependence upon a couple of tonnes of metal for personal use.
Half of all car owners in the U.S. are now 60 years of age and older.

Meanwhile,

Summer Spending Surge Shows Consumers Driving Economic Growth

Consumers boosted their spending rapidly in July and price pressures remained modest,
signs of continued U.S. economic strength amid rising interest rates.​

 

Who are "they" that are telling you such things? Can you link to some actual examples?

 

Perhaps, but this is going to directly translate into a lower quality of life -- particularly for teens and young adults. That part shouldn't be ignored.

But I suspect the Left will not care about this so much because, as you say, many of those on the Left view fewer cars as a good thing.

Maybe you can imagine what it would be like for you to be a young 18-year-old adult (especially a male) and not have a car.
Keep in mind most of the bigger cities with good public transportation systems are very expensive places to live, partly because they are overcrowded since too many people want to live there. Many young adults can't afford to live in cities with good public transportation (or that might require a move across the country to a distant state). (This is especially the case in the U.S.)

It's not so simple as that. European cities tend to be laid out very differently, due to most European cities having existed before cars became common. Distances in most parts of Europe also tend to be much shorter than in America, and many parts of Europe also have higher population densities and an extensive rail network, so travel without a car is easier.
You can't just take away cars, especially from just a certain segment of the population, and expect the U.S. to just automatically somehow become like Europe.

This seems like more foolishness from the Left, "We'll implement a policy that we know will cause problems, and we'll do something to solve those problems later, when they happen."
I think you need to solve those problems now, before it becomes a problem. Otherwise you're just being naively optimistic.