Some times you need to side step the constitution to defeat crime.

El Salvador conquered homicide by suspending constitutional rights and arresting 70K gang members. Their Homicide rate was 102 per 100K in 2015. In 2022 it was 2.2 per 100K lower than the United States.

Baltimore homicide rate was 57 per 100K. The Non Fatal Shooting rate was 119 per 100K. The total rate of Shootings was 177 per 100K.

I'm going to run for City President (head of the City council basically the prime minister). First thing I will do is put secutiry cameras on every street corner covering the whole city. Second I'm going to use the Maryland's Special Police/Private Investigator/Bail Bondsman laws to create a private company.

The Company will employ Special Police/Detectives who also serve as Bounty Hunters in specific cases. Since they are private they won't be constrained by the 4th and 5th amendments.

The Special Police will be contracted out to stores to act as security with arrest powers. To stop armed robbers/shop lifters. The Detectives will be tasked with getting 100% conviction rating by using any and all tactics to get the criminals to confess or finding incriminating information.

I'll put into law that my company will be the only bail bonds company legal in the city requiring 10% of bail.

Cities of New Orleans LA had 71 per 100K and Saint Louis MO 68 per 100K.

Locking up criminals is the only way to make cities safer.

 

We don't have to suspend the constitution in order to protect ourselves from crime.

• We can have well armed citizens, capable of protecting themselves,
• Backed up by well trained police forces that enjoy the support of the community,
• Working with law and order prosecutors that swiftly bring cases before jurys
• Followed by the swift implementation of measured justice.
• Public hangings haven't been practiced for a while, but they are not unconstitutional that I know of.

 

MO has constitutional carry and St Louis had a shooting rate of 307 per 100K.

 

1/3rd of 1% of St Louis' law abiding citizens did not unlawfully shoot another person.

 

If you had a bowl of M&Ms 300 in the bowl and 1 had a deadly amount of poison would you take one?

 

Under no circumstance can anyone justify "sidestepping the constitution".
We can control crime, we have before and we can again.
It takes prosecutors and judges who are willing to hold criminals accountable for their actions.

 

1 in 300 lawfully armed folks in St Louis didn't unlawfully shoot another human being.

 

False equivalency.

 

You're trying to create a set of steps (sidestep the constitution?) to handle a problem that could already be handled in Baltimore; simply have the city attorney aggressively prosecute all violent crime and go for the max sentence each time. The city has a high crime issue because they do pretty much the opposite. Jailing criminals instead of cutting them free would make Baltimore safer.

 

Years ago california imposed the three strikes law, 3 serious crimes and the sentence became life imrisonment.

You see, 90% of crimes are comitted by 19% of the criminals. Identify and remove the 10%.

No need to get rid of the very constitution that makes America ..... America.

 

Heres an idea.
Arrest, for life, George Soros and his minions, impound his Billions, and build prisons to contain the liberal persecutors he installed.

 

Almost all by people who could not possess a fire arm by reason of a previous felony conviction and many of which had the crazy anti law enforcement DA in the city put people in the pokey for felony murder awaiting trial that total would have been far lower.

 

In no case would suspending the Constitution serve the best interests of the American People. No case. In fact, suspending the Constitution would be... well... unconstitutional.

If mitigating violent crime is the goal, the solution is to segregate the violent from the peaceable society, and to keep them segregated until such time as they no longer pose a violent threat. Never again should KNOWN VIOLENT people be released from their incarceration, just because some arbitrary timer has expired.

I propose this zero tolerance policy:

1. Declare that the prison system should be used primarily, perhaps exclusively, for segregating demonstrably violent people who pose a danger to peaceable society, and for rehabilitating and evaluating inmates for eventual release.
2. People who initiate violence against the peaceable, after due process will lose their liberty and will be segregated from society until it can be determined whether they pose a continuing threat to the peaceable. This might be overnight... and this might be forever. But, if they used a weapon when committing their violence, then mandatory LWOP.
3. Victimless crimes should never result in loss of liberty. Release all inmates who are incarcerated for committing non-violent and/or no-victim crimes, and pose no violent threat to society. The State cannot be a victim, for purposes of determining whether a crime is victimless. After this, do away with for-profit prisons.
4. Someone who has been incarcerated for violent crimes, is only released on the condition that ANY violent recidivism will automatically result in LWOP... no exceptions. In the case that a violent criminal is released and returns to violence, then a review of the justification for release is launched.
5. 5 years after the implementation of this policy, restore all rights to those people who have regained their liberty. The concept here is, no person who is too dangerous to keep and bear arms, or vote, should be at large in our peaceable society, and so everyone who is free should enjoy ALL the rights guaranteed them by our Constitution. ​

Do this, and the problem of violent crime in our country will be, largely, solved.

 

The US Congress has been violating the Constitution AT LEAST since it passed the Unpatriot Act, and crime has been going up ever since, especially crimes committed by the government itself.

Poor logic by the OP

 

Crime bad so let's resort to even bigger crime.

 

You need more motorcycle cops doing pretextual stops.

 

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Holy Sh**.

 

The law and order people are going to give the liberals a stroke if they keep this up.

 

So your a fan of El Salvador There is a reason they are making the trek to America

 

because it was a war zone not anymore.

 

They are still migrating

 

the rate of migration has been decreasing since he took office.

And yes I am a fan of a president who took control and fixed a violent situation, bonus points that he's left wing too

 

But not a fan of constitutional rights. Looks like you are hanging your hat in the wrong country

 

You'd be changing your tone if you lived or worked in a city that had shooting rates in the 100s per 100K its easy to support full rights for criminals when you don't have to deal with them.