Germany approves bringing coal-fired power plants back online this winte

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  1. Blücher

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    The problem is that our stupid government closed the last three nuclear plants early this year instead of using the last six existing and fully operational nuclear power plants some time longer. The German public supports the usage of nuclear energy as a transition technology, according to latest polls by 65% but the green party would rather ruin our economy.
    The governing parties (social democrats (SPD), the green party ( Die Grünen) and the liberal party (FDP, liberals in Germany are not comparable to US liberals) have lost the trust of the German population but we have to wait two years until the next federal election. The opposition is willing to reopen the nuclear power plants after the next election.

    Germany still produces brown coal because it is very inexpensive. German hard coal ciosts three times more than imported coal and we stopped the high subsidized production a few years ago. There is enough German hard coal for centuries, it is just too expensive and the perpetuial costs of the former mining is more than 3 billions each year. We had to dig a mile into the ground to reach the coal.
    The German energy grid is far more reliable than the US grid despite the high amount of renewable energy used.
     
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    Try again, that was a ridiculous comparison lmfao
     
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    Maybe one of us should have
    https://www.worldometers.info/coal/...valent,levels and excluding unproven reserves).

    Germany has coal reserves. In 2020, Germany had 35.9 billion metric tons of proven coal reserves. This is equivalent to 154.6 times its annual consumption, which means it has about 155 years of coal left.
    Germany's coal reserves include:
    • Hard coal: 48 million tonnes
    • Lignite: 40,500 million tonnes
    • Soft coal: 5 billion tonnes
    Germany is a major producer of coal. Lignite is extracted in the western and eastern parts of the country, mainly in Nordrhein-Westfalen, Sachsen, and Brandenburg. There are three areas in Germany that still have active lignite mines: the Rhineland, Lusatia, and Central Germany.
    In the first half of 2021, coal was the largest source of electricity in Germany. Coal-to-power generation output rose by 13.3% year-on-year to 42.9 terawatt hours (TWh) in the three months of July-September.
    Government officials in Germany have approved a plan to bring some shuttered coal-fired power plants back online in an effort to avoid energy shortages this winter.
     
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    Take it up with the article. They would have to reopen coal mines. As it stands currently, they import ALL THEIR COAL.
     
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    Take it with the article ;)

     
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    Renewables have just begun.

    Australia should be, technically, at 100% capacity (renewables) about 2025.
     
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    they seem to be having issues with oil and gas.... bet they wish they had more energy diversity - energy diversity is energy security

    the right wants everyone to put all their eggs in the oil basket
     
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    What article? You never gave a link to an article.
     
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    Work for, it was super easy to find HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of hit for the question.

    Perfect for you!!!
     
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    Just an FYI. :)
    The coal is a temporary fallback.

    https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/pr...hare,electricity consumption was 55.5 percent.
    Renewable generation, with a share of 57.7 percent of the net electricity generation for public power supply, that is, the electricity mix that comes out of the socket, was significantly higher than the first half of 2022 (51.8 percent). The share of renewable energies in electricity consumption was 55.5 percent.
     
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    I did my work to show you were wrong.
    I'm good with that.
     
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    Lol, you wouldn't be hounding me if you were good with it, lmfao.
     
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    Going back to using coal?

    Germany never stopped using coal, my guy. All this report is, is Germany keeping already existing plants open for another season. The significance of this is they plan to phase out the usage of coal by sometime in the 2030s. So every year they decide on which plants they will keep open, and which plants they will close for the next season. They literally started doing this in 2022, they never stopped using coal, nor were they ever expected to stop using coal at any time before the 2030s
     
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    Yeah. Gotta warm the planet up! The Green Weenies over corrected...
     
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    “Combating global warming” is much more conducive to advancing socialism. Those measures give you many many opportunities to control human behavior down to the most minute detail. “Combating global cooling” isn’t.
     
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    Yup, all that and it ain't a bad way to sucker the money from the gullible either :rolleyes:
     
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    Which is why its foolishnessto get rid of the not so green sources, yet dems wanted to anyways
     
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    no one is getting rid of them, they are reducing dependence on them, thus energy diversity

    yet the right doesn't want energy security
     
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    Why? You lost the argument with your dumb reply.
     
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    Oh, you mean all the warnings conservatives put out about dependence on a country like Russia?

    I remember those times. Good times.
     
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    yes, they should have invested more in alternative energy earlier, we could all learn from this

    same with depending on India to handle all the US IT work.... national security issue if India and the USA ever have issues

    do we really want India to have access to shut down our homes, our cares with a simple script, they could say "Alexa, Shut down the USA"... and all our smart cloud based homes and cars would shut down

    but we know, Corporate profits are more important then national security Conservatives keep telling us
     
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    Where do you think it comes from?
     
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    None at all.
     
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    Biomass is a fossil fuel?
     

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