Hamas has attacked Israel

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  1. rkhames

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    You on the other hand have failed to present a single source to back your false narratives. So, I will leave you with the following undisputed facts:

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    Israel is located on the ASIAN convenient. As you can see above, the western border is against the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula. The Sinai Peninsula is a land bridge between the African and Asia. Some consider Sinai to be on the Asian continent, but most consider it to be neither African nor Asian. No matter which way you lean, Israel is on the Asian continent. If you claim that Israel is on the African Continent, then you would also have to claim that Lebanon is on the African continent also. Which would be utter male bovine excrement.

    As I have stated before KM.T is not the name of ancient Egypt. KM.T is a form of Hieroglyphics used in ancient Egypt. The name often used to refer to ancient Egypt is Kemet. That translates to "The Black Land." But that does not mean that Egyptians are in fact Blacks. Ancient Egyptians are a variation of Mulatto. Mulatto is a term for people that are of African and European mix. But there is a third subrace that influences their DNA. That is Arab. The term Kemet refers to the fact that the nation for the most part is on the African Continent. Also, to claim that Israelites first came to be in Egypt is to ignore the fact Israeli's resided in Cannan long before they fled into Egypt because of a famine. As a supposed Orthodox Christian, you should recognize the facts presented by Moses by Genesis. Again, I have never said that Israeli's were not on the African continent. To claim otherwise is a false narrative. What I have clearly said that Israel is not currently located on the African continent, nor did they get their start of the African Continent. So, either provide sources that back your false narrative, or let's move on.

    Also, I am sure it will surprise you that most white supremist are Neo Nazi's. They hate Jews!!! They put the Jews and Arabs in the same basket. They have no reason to claim that Jews are white or black or otherwise. They are against the US getting involved in any way with the Arab/Jew conflict.
     
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    1) I agree that Israel should destroy Hamas, completely.

    2) This will, in all likelihood, "take months." You give no reason why, "this can't take months."



    3) So the difference in our views, is that I have merely advocated for Israel, in their "limit(ing) collateral damage," to give Gaza's civilian population adequate time & opportunity to evacuate, before it moves in with infantry troops. That is the thing, though, which I do not see you producing any argument against.

    I would note that, to its credit, Israel has so far, postponed its invasion. Perhaps its ridiculous 24 hour notice, had only been issued, in order to impart to Palestinians, the greatest possible sense of urgency (as if all the airstrikes, by ever-present Israeli fighter jets, might fail to do so). Also, apparently Israel has pumped some water to Gaza City, which I also commend.

    But their original tack-- of cutting off water, food, fuel, and power to all the citizens for a week, and then giving those dehydrated, hungry, sleep-deprived residents (not to mention, those who'd been unable to get needed medications and, especially, all those who'd been injured in the earlier Israeli missile attacks) only 24 hours to pack, with the assumption that anything they leave behind might be destroyed, and then in most cases walk (children, and elderly, and those now on crutches, after Israel's carpet bombing, included) with whatever belongings they were taking, 12 miles to southern Gaza, with no guarantee of safety from Israeli attacks (and Palestinian citizen convoys were targeted and destroyed by the Israelis), where they would have nowhere to stay-- was not the right way to go.





    Lastly, regarding your self-contradictory point of, while saying you feel for the innocent citizens of Gaza, simultaneously laying part of the blame, for this specific, Hamas attack, on those citizens. By that measure, it would also be fair to blame Israeli citizens for the attack, because they supported the government which has blockaded Gaza for over 15 years, which has helped Hamas stay in power.

    For the record, I will once more repeat that Hamas was elected only one time, in 2006 (with 43.5% voting for them) and has not held another election, since. At this point, it is clear that they have forcibly taken control, and that ordinary citizens have no means to get rid of them; do not even have the weapons to be able to, credibly, mount a revolt. Under these circumstances, it is reasonable to take any supposed level of Palestinian support, with a healthy dose of salt. Residents are likely very cautious about voicing anything but support of Hamas, for fear of reprisals, similar to the way it might be difficult to gage actual Russian support of Putin (which is still probably higher than Gaza Palestinians' support for Hamas, since the terrorist group hasn't had the same ability as Putin, to completely control the view of its citizens, through propaganda, and restriction of outside news). There is actually, online, a series of private interviews with people in Gaza, called "Whispered In Gaza," (animated, for anonymity) which gives the thoughts which, no doubt, represent those of many people there.












     
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    You have failed to present a single source to back your false narratives. So, I will leave you with the following undisputed facts:

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    Israel is located on the african continental mass. As you can see above, the eastern border is against the dead sea. israel is actually land bridge between the African and Asia and was created as a bufferzone for the African kingdoms against the "asian hoardes". Some even consider the african kingdoms to have stretched as far as Sumeria and India. most consider israel to be African primarily, with a mix of asian, due to the language being AFRO-asiatic. notice the term AFRO? hmm, what does AFRO signify to us, curly hair??? anyway, No matter which way you lean, Israel is on the African continental mass.

    If you claim that Israel is on the Asian Continent, then you would also have to claim that nigeria is on the Asian continental mass also. Which would be utter male bovine excrement.

    The name often used to refer to ancient Egypt is Kemet. That translates to "The Black Land." that means that AEgyptians are in fact Blacks just as Sudan was also called "land of the blacks" in antiquity (derived from the Arabic بلاد السودان bilād as-sūdān 'lands of the blacks)

    Ancient Egyptians were predominantly black. black is a term for people that are of African and Asian mix. At the time of the conception of israel, the ppl, it was property of AEgypt. AEgypt named these ppl. it was written for the first time in 1300bce. Also it was an AEgyptian who gave the israelites their commandmnets, you propably know this guy.

    To claim otherwise is a false narrative. What I have clearly said that Israel is not located on the Asian continental mass, nor did they get their start on the Asian Continent. So, either provide sources that back your false narrative.

    Also, I am sure it will surprise you that most white supremecists are white. They hate white Jewish europeans. Whites hate everybody, even their own, look at world war 1 and 2. 100 milion whites killed by their own. They elevated the white jewish europeans above the Arabs, due to the WJE being white and gave them the colony they owned in africa called israel. Thus, They have every reason to claim that Jews are white, it is simple logic. This is why they are demanding, like a petuant child that the US has to get involved in the Arab/Jewish conflict and supply them with more weapons becuase they are from the same tribe, white europeans.
     
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    Good to know what the Daily Beast really thinks:
     
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    Featured snippet from the web

    Approximately 2,000 U.S. troops have been put on prepare-to-deploy orders for possible support to Israel, according to a defense official. The troops are not being sent anywhere yet, nor would they necessarily go to Israel or Gaza.19 mins ago

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    'Why has the Gaza ground invasion been delayed since Friday? - analysis'

    'Is Hezbollah waiting to strike until forces are in a Gaza quagmire?'

    snip:

    'Yet, now we have arrived at late Monday, and if anything, the signs (which could also be psychological warfare) are that the invasion is further away, and not yet imminent.

    What changed?

    A number of factors seem to have caused a delay, but sources have told The Jerusalem Post that one factor has been a growing concern that Hezbollah is waiting for the moment that most IDF ground forces are committed to Gaza to open a full front with the IDF in the north

    In this narrative, the fact that Hezbollah did not engage at the start of the war Saturday morning and has kept its attacks on Israel at a fairly low threshold does not prove that it is deterred but is part of an elaborate fake-out to lure the IDF into a false sense of security, similar to what Hamas pulled off in the south.

    As fodder for such suspicions, sources would note that Israeli intelligence and the political echelon must have a new level of humility about their assessments of enemy intentions after missing the boat regarding Hamas in the south.'

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-768684
     
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    Saber rattling?

    upload_2023-10-16_20-26-42.png The Hill
    Top Iranian envoy warns ‘preemptive action’ against Israel expected soon
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    Iran says 'preemptive action' by resistance front expected in coming hours
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    UN Shocked, SHOCKED Somebody Done Stole Those 'Humanitarian' Supplies in Gaza

    UNRWA flabbergasted that the Hamas folks that butcher babies also took US paid for relief supplies.

    Hamas is robbing the “humanitarian aid” to the Palestinian people. There’s no reason to give them anything until we eliminate Nazi Hamas.”

    Exactly.

    This all reminds me of something:

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    They've been doing this for a long time.

    'HOLY SMOKES They can’t even come up with something new to phrase their outrage in. The UN “strongly condemned” in 2009 and and they still do exactly the same in 2023.'

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    I never did say that. First of all, I had only been giving reasons as to why it might take more than 24 hours, for a million people to move themselves from northern Gaza, to the southern half. That is why it seemed you needed to work more on your reading, before you would be up to speed, to debate or discuss this, in an intelligent, or even intelligible, way.

    Secondly, I had listed many factors, such as that:

    1) most inhabitants probably don't have vehicles (and that there is now no fuel for them, thanks to Israel's cutting it off).

    2) Among those needing to walk, then, the at least 12 miles, would be many children, and elderly people (some of whom, may be now lacking their required medicines).

    3) Many are also now are injured, from Israel's initial carpet bombing, of entire rows of buildings-- I have now heard a news report, btw, that Israeli is doing more targeted attacks, as destroying just one apartment, as opposed to the entire building.

    4) Those who do not need hobble to the south on crutches, had nevertheless been without water service, for five days, prior to being given the initial 24 hours notice (which Israel seems to have reconsidered). They had also been cut off from food. And they had been subjected to unceasing aerial assault, from fighter jets, overhead.
    So to expect dehydrated, hungry, exhausted people, to gather up whatever possessions they did not feel they could risk being forever lost, and travel 12 or more miles, with children & elderly in tow, with no water for their trip--

    5)-- and, also initially, with no guarantee of safety from Israel's attack (and some vehicle convoys of escaping Palestinians were targeted and blown up by Israeli fighters)-- had not been a reasonable amount of time
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    The 80 degree weather, your faulty reading had also failed to grasp, was only a supplementary factor, adding in to all the rest-- again, not as a reason that they could not leave at all, but as to why they need be given more than 24 hours to do so (along with being given corridors of passage, guaranteed as being safe for the non combatants, from Israeli missiles). Again, I have heard that Israel has since, somewhat changed course on this, and allowed a few 3-hour windows, of safe passage, in some corridor of Gaza.

    Apparently you are not much of a hiker, or exercise enthusiast, yourself, to not comprehend how increased temperature, causes human bodies to perspire more, particularly when exerting themselves. This is especially important, when a person is starting off dehydrated. But even if they weren't, expecting a child to hike 12 miles in 80 degree heat, could well endanger that child; ditto, not just for an old person, but also for the adult, who was therefore forced to carry their child. In your mind, apparently, everyone must get around like I imagine you must: riding on your Skidoo sit-down scooter.

    This time, I hope you will ask someone for assistance in following my explanation. If it is too much for you to span, all at once, then feel free to take breaks, along the way; I am not going to use missiles, to enforce any unrealistic time limit, on you.
     
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    Cornell Professor Calls Hamas Terror Attack ‘Exhilarating' and ‘Exciting'

    'A Cornell University professor was caught on camera telling students Hamas’ terror attack on Israel — which has left more than 1,400 dead — was “exhilarating” and “energizing.” The remarks were made at a pro-Palestine protest by Russell Rickford, an associate professor of history at the top-tier Ithaca, New York, school and posted online Sunday by a student who called them “shameful.”'

    Thankfully some students publically object to Nazis in Academia in positions of authority.

    'I was exhilarated,” Russell said to a smattering of approval from students, the video showed. The crowd then chanted, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a common rallying call for pro-Palestinian advocates to eradicate Israel and establish their own state.'

    "From The River To The Sea" is the call for the genocidal destruction of Israel.
     
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    indict the bitch on Federal charges of treason.
     
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    That's not how we do things here.

    Let them tell us who they are, and believe them when they tell us.

    A new generation stands up on campus

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    These are brave Jews, who will likely be targeted by Jew-haters.
     
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    What an ******.
     
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    'Egypt says Israel is responsible for striking Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza City, which reportedly killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians.

    Egypt’s foreign ministry strongly condemns the incident and says that Cairo considers this “deliberate bombing of civilians to be a serious violation of international, humanitarian law and of the most basic values of humanity.”

    The IDF says it is still investigating whether its forces were responsible for the strike, or whether it was the result of a failed rocket launch or other cause.

    “Egypt called on Israel to immediately stop its policies of collective punishment against the people in the Gaza Strip,” the Egyptian foreign ministry statement adds'.
     
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    May they be filled with courage and spend their free time in a Krav Maga dojo deeply training themselves in skills they never need to deploy.
     
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    Hamas' Strategy: Human Sacrifice
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    'Never before has a party adopted a war strategy to maximize civilian deaths on its own side.'

    'Hamas is ensuring that its war will harm and kill large numbers of Palestinians in Gaza. To bring this about, it has strategized and laid groundwork for years. Its aim is to propagandize a gullible world—to put the blood of Palestinian victims on Israel’s hands. '

    'Hamas official Ali Baraka summing up the difference between the two worldviews: “The Israelis are known to love life. We, on the other hand, sacrifice ourselves. We consider our dead to be martyrs.”'

    They sound like a culture of death.
     
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    'Scoop: White House has discussed U.S. military response if Hezbollah attacks Israel'

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    'The White House has been discussing the possibility of using military force if Hezbollah joins the war in Gaza and attacks Israel with its huge arsenal of rockets, three U.S. officials and one Israeli official with knowledge of the situation tell Axios.

    Why it matters: Lebanon-based Hezbollah joining the war would dramatically escalate the Middle East's worst conflict in decades — raising the likelihood of mass civilian casualties in Israel and Lebanon and possibly drawing in the U.S.

    • The Israeli military — now focused mostly on Gaza — would have a significantly more difficult time fighting on two fronts simultaneously while missiles rain down on its bases and Israel's population centers.
    State of play: Since the Gaza war began Oct. 7, tensions between Israel and Hezbollah have been increasing, with daily skirmishes between the parties along the Israel-Lebanon border.

    • Iran-backed Hezbollah has fired rockets and anti-tank missiles at Israeli outposts and forces on the border in recent days, while Israeli airstrikes have hit Hezbollah positions. Several Hezbollah operatives and several IDF soldiers have been killed'

    cont

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/17/israel-news-us-military-hezbollah-attacks
     
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    Netanyahu summarizes history of jewish-palestinians. I guess we can’t take his view as unbiased but is he factually wrong?

     

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