3 Palestinian college students shot in Vermont

More likely he just presumed that they were Muslim and targeted them. After all, they all look the same (sarcasm). Much like when a sikh was murdered by the murderer presuming he was Muslim

 

How does a limited number of Palestinians in Vermont support your opinion he targeted Palestinians? If you're waiting on your porch for a target, aren't you waiting for something you would expect to see? What rules out the idea he expected to see a college aged person, or someone who attends the synagogue up the street, or one of the gang members that had just committed a double homicide of a crips member (Khalif Jones) a few miles from his apartment?

 

I understand that, which is why I said I want a qualified professional before I commit that he is deranged or mentally ill. I took from your argument that he might plea the insanity defense eventually once defense counsel gets a chance to review the facts, talk to their client, and formalize a strategy. It is why I said that such a defense is not very successful based on whether you can tell right from wrong at the time of the incident, which is basically what you said differently.

 

So sorry to hear:

 

I don't get it.
The man is shot and the family have to raise money for the treatment.
Isn't there a victims of crime financial scheme?

 

No, just because one is injured by a criminal, there is no "scheme," to pay one's medical expenses.

Apparently, you don't get out, much.

 

The ability to crowd source assistance is a pretty good solution to the problem, don't you think?

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...essive-loved-farming-and-teaching-2023-11?amp

 

Not in America no. Other countries and places exist.
Your use of the word ‘just’ is interesting.

 

Like charity? Or like community action, Socialism if you like?

 

i don't think the shooting victim has insurance or has a high deductible insurance plan for medical care. The person who shot them does not have a lot of assets and was unemployed at the time of the shooting I believe.

 

So, now you know. I hadn't thought it much of a secret, that America's health insurance system was not as universal or as comprehensive, as some other systems. It would be interesting, however, to hear about the allowances made for the victims, injured in crimes, in those countries with which you are familiar.

I think you're overly reading into my phrasing. My inclusion of the word "just," had more to do with my attitude about our not having universal health coverage, here-- if you had been trying to imply something else, about my own feelings (your meaning is not clear, fyi-- in case you had not intended to keep your implication murky). My guess as to your own attitudes, may have also played a role in the word choice; again, the flavor of your original comment, lent itself to various interpretations.

 

Says the man, who'd described health insurance, for those injured by criminals, as a "financial Scheme."

philosophical said: ↑
...Isn't there a victims of crime financial scheme?

 

I live in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland where treatment for such a shooting victim would have been free to the individual for as long as it takes. A system financed collectively.
I think the reaction here would not be ‘just’ another shooting, but shock and a desire from the community to help, and try to see if there are ways to stop it happening again.
There is a criminal injuries compensation authority over here, a shot person would not be abandoned or left to the dubious mercies of a charity.

 

Are you supposed to be making some kind of point?

 

Must be a language difference. Here, to call something a "financial scheme," would connote something not quite right about it, such as it being crooked, dishonest, unethical, or poorly thought out.

 

Yes it is a language difference,

 

Instead they are left to the dubious mercies of the authority.

I thought about getting into this in your question about charity, community action, or socialism. This is clearly a diversion from the thread topic so I won't explore further here, but it's certainly a compelling topic. I'll discuss it in PM if you want. I have lots of thoughts about the advantages and weaknesses of task level programming.

 

https://www.launchgood.com/campaign/support_three_young_palestinian_men_shot_in_burlington#!/

Currently at more than a quarter of a million dollars with no limit to the number of times you can request assistance.

https://www.legalexpert.co.uk/crimi...on/how-much-compensation-for-a-assault-claim/

Fixed payout based on some type of executive analysis of injury. One shot deal with limited flexibility to accommodate unique circumstance.

 

Thanks for the explanation, and for a look at the U.K. system. Now knowing that you hadn't been trying to be snarky, with your "financial scheme," phrasing, it is easy to recognize-- in your other comment, about how "telling," was my use of the word "just," in referring to being injured by a criminal-- that your implication had been directed at American society. The "scheme" term, must have altered my impression, so that I'd been thinking you had been trying to imply something about me, personally (though I couldn't be sure, what)-- LOL.

Yeah, for future reference-- the two descriptive terms, most associated with "schemes," over here, are "harebrained," and "evil."

 

If I have offended I apologise.
My interest was about how a victim of crime can be abandoned to cope with a life changing injury, and the notion that if they can’t pay it’s too bad, tough luck.

 

I don't know of a society that doesn't care for the injured and infirmed. We've even discovered that Neanderthal man cared for their injured and elderly.

Here in America we have the ADA that covers law regulating disability rights, and we also have the victims of crime act that establishes a crime victims fund.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Victims_Fund

One of the main hurtles of any government scheme is that eligible candidates have to be aware of the program, have to apply for the grant of funds, and have to have their application accepted. To me it almost seems simpler to start a go fund me. Of course, you can also do both.

 

https://www.ccvs.vermont.gov/support-for-victims/victims-compensation-program

 

Thank you for this information.

 

They looked white to me, which is what they were. If you have some evidence they were targeted because they are Palestinian let's hear it.