The futility of evidence...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It goes like this:

    Non-MAGA: "Another Trump crime has been revealed"
    MAGA: "Show evidence that Trump committed that crime"
    Non-MAGA: "Ok. Here's the evidence"
    MAGA: "That's not enough!"
    Non-MAGA: "Ok. Here is MORE evidence. Including statements by Trump's own people"
    MAGA: "It's their word against his!"
    Non-MAGA: "Ok. Here is a tape of Trump ADMITTING it.
    MAGA: "That's not evidence until a court adjudicates"
    Non-MAGA: "Ok. A court has adjudicated"
    MAGA: "Deep State!"

    There is ample evidence that Trump is a criminal. But a true MAGA will ever accept ANY evidence. They will ultimately just cling to their "Deep State Conspiracy Theory" So why even try? "Show me the evidence" is just a talking point. They KNOW they will always ultimately fall back to the Conspiracy Theory.
     
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    Sorry, not enough evidence! Here in the USA we cannot lock people up based on feelings. Copy that??
     
  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is why I laugh when MAGAs demand "evidence". As if evidence made ANY difference to them in anything that pertains their Orange Idol.
     
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    This is one of my favorite instances in American politics brought about by our laughable two party system.

    I can watch one sides news and it's. "Well we have evidence of Joe Biden's corruption! There are statements from whistle-blowers, bank records witness accounts circumstantial evidence is still evidence!

    All the evidence against Trump is circumstantial."

    Then I can switch to the other side's news and switch the names and get the exact same hypocrisy."

    It's would be a comedic masterpiece if it wasn't real.
     
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    Just so we have a frame of reference here can you please define " MSGA in your own words ?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you are publicly admitting that you're incapable of telling facts from lies... Ok. I guess acknowledging the things you fail at is one step in the process of improving.

    Here's a hint: there is a reason why ONE side just LOVES the fact that you can't tell them apart, but the other doesn't. Now... if only you could figure out which is which.
     
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    Shutcie Newly Registered Donor

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    Heres the fun part.
    You either recognize the hypocrisy in your post or your blinders prevent you from seeing it.

    Wheres the fun? Figuring out which it is.

    Look, there have been 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43 investigations into trump. He's currently dealing with 4 (?) Criminal indictments and is not yet convicted.

    So, is trump that innocent, or are his persecutors that incompetent?
     
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    Neither, this isn't a tv show, things take time.
     
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    POT, KETTLE...
     
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    The left insist they can tell the difference between good and evil where only evil exists..

    That Arrogance and blindness is more dangerous then the evil they judge..
     
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    On powerful evidence, blatant and direct evidence against Trump, they ignore it.

    On scant evidence that isn't direct, only innuendo, hearsay, and suggestive against Biden, they lap it up.
     
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    On powerful evidence, blatant and direct evidence against Trump, the right ignores it.
    On scant evidence that isn't direct, only innuendo, hearsay, and suggestive against Biden, the right laps it up.

    What was that about 'dangerous and evil'?
     
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    So does the left..
     
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    "Evidence" is objective. When one side denies the verity, objectivity goes out the window. Rational discourse becomes impossible.
     
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    Basically it means anyone who disagrees with you or Democrats politically.

    Anyone who doesn't sufficiently hate the bad orange man
     
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    But, you all never have actual evidence...lol

    That, or y'all just make **** up. Like how challenging election results is a Federal crime.

    Or, y'all don't know the difference between "appraised value" and "assessed value" of real estate.

    Or, y'all think a property owner gets to tell the tax assessor what his property is worth.
     
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    The difference between Biden and Trump...
    Real true and honest DOJ investigations.... DOJ investigations = evidence.... On powerful evidence, blatant and direct evidence against Biden, they ignore it.
    There has been more than enough "reasonable suspicion" uncovered by Comer to start many different DOJ investigations into the Biden family and Joe's involvement...
    I find it laughable when Comer is investigating what the DOJ has had for years and never touched...
     
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    And after the guilty verdicts, the endless appeals upholding those verdicts, which I think may take a few years to play out, they will say the system was rigged against him. Because that is what he will say.
    I have pointed out a number of times the indictments he faces are the result of grand jury votes finding the evidence compelling enough to recommend criminal charges be made. Not a biased DoJ. With their backs to wall to explain the indictments in that context they claim the grand juries are biased too.
    Once again, IMO, this comes down to The Following not being able to admit their personal, monumental error of judgement leading them to support Don in the first place. Bottom line, if Trump is guilty they were wrong......a difficult admission to make.
     
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    Tell me again what you think about Biden taking bribes?
     
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    A grand jury only sees evidence they're presented with. If you have a partisan prosecutor or one with an agenda, they simply don't provide all the evidence in order to secure the indictment.

    Thats why the famous quote is that any district attorney can get any grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. Thats not a well known saying for no reason. It's because it's true.
     
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    It's a counter narrative created from innuendo, not facts, based on the necessity of having something to accuse Biden of in light of Trump's criminal indictments. Prove me wrong.
     
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    Have you considered the possibility Trump is guilty? Or does an unwillingness to consider you made a colossal error of judgement preclude it?
     
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    Evidence of an ACTUAL CRIME would be nice, and if it isn't a crime when Democrats do it then it shouldn't be a crime for Republicans.
     
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