Nikki's taking off the gloves.

Uh no as Trump himself said the withdrawal could only happen if the Taliban were willing to accept a powersharing agreement with the current government of Afghanistan which the taliban were never going to agree to so guess what that implies...

 

Times change.
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There were enough votes to make it happen. Biden miscalculated that time was on his side.

 

The current deal is utter garbage and even if implemented would increase not decrease the flow of illegal immigrants into the country.

 

The fact of the deal alone was dishonorable, so Trump got the dishonor ball rolling.

 

All of the allies left by December 2020, and we had slightly more than 8k troops, most of whom were in Kabul, and most were not combat troops either. We pretty much announced to the world when we were leaving. Meanwhile, the Taliban were laying siege of those posts that we built which Afghanistan forces took over and had that equipment. Trump made sure in the deal that we could not share any information with the local commanders either. If we did, that broke the deal. the media couldn't get there to confirm the reports because it was too dangerous from January 2021 to May 2021. Thus, the majority of the fault is Trump's no matter how you want to rationalize this politically in your mind.

 

Attempting a deal is not dishonorable. Every war must eventually end. The trick is to end it on your terms not the enemy's the Taliban were not yet ready to end it on our terms and Trump wasn't going to end it on theirs so under Trump it was at an impasse and likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future.

 

I think you better look at the DHS statistics again. It would decrease the amount of people entering illegally, especially with the Blue Card part and with no quotas. It would free up the IJ judges and their backlog of some 2 to 3 years, which is a major cause of concern right now, and it would humanitize the whole border and those who are coming in. But the simple fact that they are poor, brown, and from the sothern border, and elsewhere, is probably the crux of your argument, whether they come legally or not.

 

Yes, you have documented Trump's dishonor.
And no, allies had not left by December 2020.
In April 2021, NATO Foreign and Defence ministers decided to withdraw all Allied troops from Afghanistan within a few months.

NATO and Afghanistan

 

Uh no most of out forces were combat air support for the Afghan Army. And defense forces for the airbase there. It was the withdrawal of those air assets from Bagram that percipitated the route of the afghan forces.

 

Whicl led to the chaos when we withdrew just as the dishonor of Nixon negotiating with the North Vietnamese, sabotaging Johnson's efforts, why we left Vietnam with our tails between our legs in 1975.

 

Combat air support units are NOT front line fighting units,. They were maintenance and other MOS that serviced aircraft, vehicles, etc.

 

Dream on. The Blue card crap is the moral equivalent of standing on the roof tops with a megaphone and screaming ally ally outs in free.

 

By 1975 Johnson had been out of office for seven years. You should learn history.

 

And the attack helicopters and air assets that the Afghan army couldn't survive without.

 

Its your own line.

 

which doesn't apply in the way you wanted it to

 

Sure it does. You ridiculed someone for talking about racism, as if to argue racism didn't exist, and right after that you claimed it actually does exist, and the whites are the victims of it.

 

you appear confused. the woke left constantly try to harangue the right by shedding crocodile tears over alleged racist foundations in their attempts to balkanize America into warring special interest groups. I merely noted that the only institutionalized racism left comes from the very sector that wants to virtue signal about racism

 

To say nothing of the fact that it was LBJ's democratic party that Sabotaged him not Nixon. That's why LBJ chose not to run in '68. Note also any dishonor involved falls not to Nixon pos that he was, but to Ford who refused to live up to the US' responsibility as a guarantor of the Paris Peace Accords.

 

Or, House Repubs made their demands too toxic to be accepted. To take your position one has to believe House Repubs really wanted to reach an agreement. That's not the case.

Speaker Johnson said "now is not the time for immigration reform" even as the Crazy clamors for something to be done.

 

I'd rather not extend this discussion to Vietnam.

 

Negotiation is give and take. Biden underestimated how much he needed to give. Johnson's comment came only later, after the opportunity had passed.

 

Those Cli-che are nice around BBQ pit with friend. But getting vote for major political party, those cli-che are just an “insult”

So keep insulting voter , call them socialist, Public teat sucklers, communist, Marxist. How is that going for Republican?

7 out of last 8 presidential election Republican lost majority vote! But keep insulting the future generation.

 

No what led to the chaos was the closure of Bagram Airbase and the withdrawal of air support from the afghan army.