Trump says he would encourage Russia to ‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO country that do

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just told you, he gave putin a list.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What part of fair share do you understand after your side repeating that same phrase to Americans for years?
     
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    Speaking of 'fair share', can you give us some examples of the US deploying troops into a combat zone to support its NATO alles? I can certainly give examples of NATO allies deploying troops into combat zones to support US operations. Surely any assessment of 'fair share' involves risking & losing lives for your allies.
     
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    Trump should never encourage Putin to attack other countries, what part of that do you not understand
     
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    He never said that. Can you post a source to prove that statement?
     
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    I'd love to have a legal expert weigh in on the Budapest Agreement. In it we promised to defend Ukraine for giving up their nukes. Can some legal eagle comment on its strength? Is it as binding as full up Senate-approved treaty? What are the REAL legal implications?

    You are right at the end of the day, the MORAL commitment is clear.
     
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    You can reduce your military spending and/or commit fewer resources to NATO. Pretty simple really. If ytou want 'insane', maybe it is relying on an ally who wants you to fight its wars but never turns up for yours.

    Of course, NATO nations may collectively decide not to turn up to America's next war, but as you appear to have forgotten that they turned up to the last few big ones that is probably no bad idea. Why bother getting your people killed to support an ally whose citizens are so ignorant they don't even know you did it and so politicized they will cheer as a prospective President invites an enemy to attack you?
     
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    I'm all on board with reducing our military spending and contributing less to NATO. But the NATO lovers are not. They would have us float all our negligent 'allies' while simultaneously transferring much of our spending to the social programs our allies enjoy. Not sure how they expect both to happen, they never really specify. I suspect they just want higher taxes and more redistribution, even though no matter how much we redistribute, the poor keep getting poorer, the rich richer, and the wars more frequent.
     
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    I'll give you one thing, the quality of your analysis/observations is depressingly consistent.

    Nothing to respond to here.
     
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    Nope, the quote in the OP was altered altered, he did encourage violence or attacking anyone..
     
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    Why? Why should they over spend like the US? I mean we sell **** to the government at a higher rate than our commercial customers. US has a spending problem and we expect the rest of NATO to copy our bad habits?
     
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    Thanks Obama.

    NATO paid on the exact time schedule negotiated by Obama (that would have been during Trump's term). Agent Orange just whine incessantly and took the cred.
     
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    It’s in the article I posted
     
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    The whole of Europe? Seventy-five percent of the Russian population lives in Europe!
     
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    Yep. That’s how they get the US citizen to vote for clowns. Put makeup and a nose on one that’s slightly more ridiculous than the other. Works great.
     
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    And the Democrats approach to Russia "Lets send billions more to Europe to reinforce their borders and defense.". FFS, why does the US have to spend US tax payer dollars to defend Europe?! Why not have Europeans spend billions more on their own defense? There is an easy answer.... Because our military industrial complex needs to arm the world and our politicians are getting stupid rich at the expense of millions of lives...
     
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    In a recent post someone posted that the US defeated Japan alone in WW2! No reply was received when I asked for clarification
     
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    From this side of the pond he seems America's worst enemy.
     
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    A man wanting to be leader of the free world openly encourages an enemy to attack our traditiona allies unless his “conditions” are met.

    Now that’s real Presidential timbre!

    Or near treason.

    The losers in trump world will see the former, as there is no position, and no lie that they won’t support from their beloved fuhrer.

    The rest of the world will see it for what it is.
     
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    So, do you support the growing right wing retreat into Lindbergesque isolationism?

    That’s what all the many Russian trolls on this thread want you to do.

    Trump plays to that because his whole message is to pander to the simple stereotypes and parochial world view of his base.
     
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    Sure. Back stabbing is hip among his fan club,
     
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    I truly don't get why this is a surprise to anyone paying attention to world politics and global national security. Trump has never gone against Putin to my knowledge. His Congress at the time may have in certain circumstances but he slow walked every thing they did contra Russia and his Treasury also looked between the fingers for four years.
     
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    As I said you do that in the private not in. front of enemies. Now there is a far out chance that the Trump was playing to his base. If so that is dangerous. Trump is betraying our country in that he is an isolationist. NATO keeps Russia from acting against us and Europe. People with geopolitical myopia do not understand that the EU is our really big trading partner. China is listening and the way we treat Europe as a signal from how we will treat the countries in Asia that China wants to control. So yes only the geopolitically myopic do not see the danger of Donald giving Putin a woody.
     
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    I understand why people don't like sending money overseas, but to allow war to perpetuate, that would cause a disruption in trade and commerce, which will affect the US negatively, because we do expect to engage in free trade around the world. I can go on; that Russia would have a stranglehold on a number of food exports, much like what Saddam tried to do with the takeover of Kuwait in regards to oil.
     
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    It's not about isolationism... It's about the US setting the world on fire to ensure arms flow freely. We are the majority cause for the conflicts around the globe. We create tension between nations, then we arm the nation of our choosing to create "stability"... We have the Biden Admin telling China that they support the one China policy, yet send billions of arms to the little nation. Same with Ukraine.. As soon as we installed the new administration, first action was to send arms into the country... FFS... Our own nation was willing to shoot down US airliners and kill American citizens (Operation Northwoods) to get us into a direct conflict with Cuba....
     

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