“It Will Be A Shock”: Ukraine Lost 500,000 Soldiers In War So Far, Nearly 30,000 Per Month: Lutsenko

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    "More nations will ally and work with BRICS"?

    Yes...

    At the same time use the $$US...:).
     
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    I sometimes think of the base line Russia has been working against.
    The Kyiv side is backed by the full technical and industrial might of the US and the NATO countries.
    The Eastern and Crimean side by just Russia, which spent
    when the hot part of the war started in 2022, 7 percent as much on it's military as the US.

    How has Russia survived?
    Maybe we should pick Iran for our next war.
    Or maybe not even have a next war.
     
  3. Jack Hays

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    We shall see. You have a penchant for unreliable data.
     
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    yeah....but I'm quite happy with my takes irrespective of what you think.
    Nothing I've seen or read so far changes the situation on the ground....which is two nations going nowhere fast....the issue for Russia is that it is floundering around trying to cobble together a narrative to influence people that everything is fine...just have to read your posts....however, based on what it accumulated and the length of time it took to accumulate it and under the economic conditions prevailing at the time, we are now supposed to believe that "modern" equipment is being produced? I think that's what you're trying to convince me of correct? As you said....
    So I'm to believe that in the midst of an economic nightmare and massive losses of equipment and lives Russia is now changing it's whole economy and modernising its whole military arsenal....

    And yet we haven't seen one new tank or one new aircraft or one new ship just more of the same old crap re-built from scrap and painted.....did you look up the T-14? Russian MOD was supposed to have around 2,500 of these things but from 2015 to 2022 they got 14 (fourteen)...not sure where all the money went...but I bet you can guess....so what's changed....??
    Seriously tell me where and what these new modern tanks are...these modern BTMs...these modern aircraft.....where are they??? What are they???
    If they are producing 100s per month then they must be arriving on the battlefield somewhere...yet all we see are the old 72s and 80s and 90s.....where is all this modern kit??

    I like your chart. Looking at numbers and saying...look lots of people how can they be running out of crews....the issue is not filling things with just anyone and sending them off to fight...a tank crew takes months and commanders years to train.

    It's the same as all these people talking about the Ukrainians and these F-16s and how great these F-16s are going to be...and....its all rubbish. Yes you can train someone to fly the plane but it takes years to learn how to fight it and more years to learn how to command other pilots in a wing to carry out multi-ship operations.

    Anyway...as I said I'm pretty happy with my take on the situation.
    Cheers mate
     
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    "Making more":roflol:

    We're definitely spending more due to terrible inflation. I'm not sure about the "making" part though

    But let's just assume you're right. I'm open minded.

    It doesn't change that fact that Russian is outpacing most G7 members in terms of growth. Which goes to my point in showing that Russian economy is doing relatively well and has been relatively resilient.
     
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    Yes....

    Ukraine is being backed and supplied by US/NATO/EU countries....being groomed and prepped for membership.

    OTOH....Russia has backing (or better word....getting fleeced) by China, Iran, North Korea. Many RuZZians have no toilets, or plumbing, and live in a step above a "chicken coop"? Check Vasya in the Hay YT vids....that will put everything in perspective.
     
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    That's not my data. This is Bloomberg. And as far as the Newsweek article, the source was IMF
     
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    Welcome back to the Soviet Union.
    Russia's economy 'in for very tough times' despite ...
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    CNBC
    https://www.cnbc.com › 2024/02/12 › russias-economy-i...

    1 day ago — In late January, the International Monetary Fund more than doubled its forecast for the pace of Russia's economic growth this year, ...
     
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    So you say.
     
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    Are you not aware that Scotland is part of the UK, which has consistently spent more than 2% of GDP on defense?

    Also, there are not 500,000 Ukrainian dead.
     
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    they just use sovereign figures...basically they crunch whatever numbers they are given.... they don't guarantee the accuracy of those figures they're just spreadsheet warriors....
     
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    I know where all the carnival barkers reside and you're right, it's more than 500,000 dead.

    The UK and the rest of island dwellers are living in the past. They had to get bailed out in WW2 and haven't been relevant since WW1. They ought to stick with what they do best, drink and kick round balls.
     
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    They had to get "bailed out" in WW2??


    I recall the former SU was massively bailed out in WW2....so the Germans wouldn't use them as lampshades in German living rooms?
     
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    Oh dear. And you call others carnival barkers?

    And no. It's not 500,000 or more than 500,000.
     
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    So what? BRICS doesn't do anything. It is literally just a photo op and nothing more.

     
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    This reshoring movement is also bound to be huge for US economic growth in coming years and decades. There may be some growing pains as we readjust to new supply chains and potentially higher labor costs, but the ends will definitely justify the means.

    And I have to praise both Trump and Biden on this, since both have taken the initiative to help make this happen. It was also just badly needed with China becoming such a geopolitical and strategic issue, but it's good to see this progress nonetheless.
     
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    @Bill Carson How do you like that?
     
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    There are two narratives
    1/ Russia started the war and Russia is losing
    2/ The US started the war and the US is losing.

    People in the West will be a lot happier believing narrative 1
    but the take away has to be don't start any more wars.

    A middle narrative would be both sides are losing
    because Russia and Ukraine have both lost some
    soldiers, the 'everyone loses in wars' conclusion,
    and that's also a good take away.
     
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    BRICS backed by gold is going to not end well.

    Why?

    Because a byproduct of Fusion energy can be the creation of GOLD. And every major nation is going full bore towards Fusion technology.

    Also.

    This is not a good look for us if this is true. I need more information.

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    More information: a few micrograms won't shift the value of gold.

    Yes, Pres. Putin and the entire nation of Russia, have been attempting
    to get the US not to wage a proxy war in Ukraine, and a ceasefire was
    agreed and finalized on Apr 1 2022, but Zelenskyy was told not to
    give the final signature, because the whole technical capabilities of Britain
    and the US and NATO were with him for as long as it takes and would
    make sure he won, and there's a few pallets of hundred dollar bills too.
     
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    The upper clipping is of US arming Neo-Nazis in Ukraine,

    it undermines Joe Biden's very influential speech of Feb 24 2022

    [President Biden Holds a Press Conference Feb 24th]

    [transcript]
    "Sorry to keep you waiting

    The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine
    without provocation, without justification, without necessity.
    This is a premeditated attack"


    The "without provocation" is a grievous lie since Russia had been warning the US
    and NATO against moving weapons into Ukraine for many years, and before moving
    military units in told both the US and NATO that military conflict could be avoided
    by not moving NATO into Ukraine.

    Both berated Russia for the attempt to avoid war, and stated that Russia had no
    right to attempt to stop NATO and NATO weapons including nuclear weapons, from
    being located on their border
     
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    Both Biden and NATO thought Russia was powerless to do anything to stop NATO
    expansion to their border.

    NATO admits refusing to avoid Ukraine war.png

    And Biden's claim that Russia had begun an unprovoked Etc. attack, being late to
    the press meeting made it sound like it was just happening, but they failed to
    adequately brief NATO, and NATO stated emphatically the war had started almost 8 years
    previously:

    Ukraine war started in 2014.png
     
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    I'm not saying you should believe the truth, because it can be
    somewhat depressing, but just don't believe the lie, and
    don't keep going to war because one day you are going to
    lose one. (sic)
     
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    Straw man. Read my post.
     

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