Johnson Intended To Stop Ukraine Aid, Not Pass An Immigration Bill

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  1. vman12

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    When did he invade Crimea again?
     
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    When did he invade Georgia?
     
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    When Putin saw Obama getting the Democrat nominee.
     
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    He knew Obama would make him invade Ukraine so he invaded Georgia before Obama even took office.
    Then sounds about right from a trump supporter.
     
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    And you believe him?
     
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    You have it backwards. How did that happen? You should fact-check your source.

    The border legislation was in the bill because Republicans insisted upon it. Democrats compromised and gave the GOP nearly everything they asked for. Then Johnson went to his master, Trump, who told him not to bring the bill to the floor.

    Trump and his Republicans are not interested in solving problems at the border while Biden is still in office. Wake up and smell the hypocrisy.
     
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    What a crock of bullshit.
    When Putin lost his puppet in Ukraine and the voters chose his successor, it resulted in his attack on Ukraine, using the same justifications as hitler did back in the day.
    You really should engage with reality instead of parroting russian propaganda.
     
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    Well there is an easy way to prove it. Secure the border and then if the Republicans turn it down, you maybe right. I think the Republicans feel that holding up the aid is the only way they have left to get the border closed. What Biden is offering is far from closing it.
     
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    No thanks. Politics makes me laugh not weep.
     
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    Great because we need workers !
     
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    Why do you think you can have it both ways when it comes to Trump's relation with Putin?
     
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    Huge difference between M and B. Foreign aid to Ukraine didn't start with Trump. The aid Biden is sending to Ukraine is in addition to what Congress has approved for Ukraine annually.
     
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    The Privileged Class needs cheap labor to care for their mansions.
     
  14. balancing act

    balancing act Well-Known Member

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    You would have to define "close the border". Do you mean completely close it to any movement at all? Because it sounds like that's what you're calling for.
     
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    All of you're post are a conglomerate of antagonistic tropes, memes, and forecast you have no clue about.
    You don't provide any evidence, links, or documents because its beyond your capability.
    All you are here to do is argue and name call, on topics you're clueless about.
    And regurgitate the same ole gottcha lines over and over and over
    You don't know anything.
     
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    So lets flood the market with people willing to work for half.
    That will help the American job economy.
    This is you're thinking?
     
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    I think there should be a demand based program where we allow pre-screened/qualified people to work temporarily in US on an as-needed bases. For example now there is a demand for construction workers, so we could allow some pre-screened construction workers to come in and work on projects.

    As for the topic, it seems clear Johnson is just a Trump spokes person, and Trump is the de-factor Speaker Of The House. Chain of command: Putin tells Trump, Trump tells Johnson, and Johnson tells the House.

    De-funding Ukraine is top priority for Putin, which is why he wants Trump to tell Johnson to defund it, and more chaos at the border helps Trump politically, so Putin-Trump foment more chaos by turning down a bill which would have solved it.
     
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    I have no problem with legal migration and yes, there are always positions for those who want to come to America.
    8 million released into the US under Biden is an invasion.
    And they are seeing how this problem is festering.
    When you have the Mayor of NY, publicly state, he can't even turn criminal illegals over to ICE for deportation, then another agenda exist.

    And you can look no further than Bidens border policies for the answer. We are looking at over 10 million by the end of this year.
    Trumps was 2.5 million over 4 years and they were deported back to Mexico or had to wait in Mexico for asylum claims, of which only about 6% even qualify.

    Even the latest border bill required 1.8 million per year? Nobody who has any notion of protecting Americans or our economy would promote such.
     
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    Maybe you should read the links in the OP before providing commentary.
    Republicans had initially demanded border policy changes in exchange for Ukraine aid, but abandoned that trade-off this week quickly after the border deal was announced, deeming it inadequate.

    So Republicans agreed to allow a Ukraine aid in the bill IN EXCHANGE for border policy changes.
    Those changes included 1.8 million illegal per year. Which no Republican is voting for.
    Why is it that the left always leaves that part out?
    Because their propaganda is more important than the truth.

    Unless you are here to claim that we should sign such a bill.
    Is this what you now support? 1.8 million illegals allowed to roam the US per year?
    Do tell.
     
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    These are your best conclusions?
    Just wow
     
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    You mean like killing hundreds of Russians in Syria
    Or being the first president in history to approve lethal weapons to Ukraine to kill more Russians
    Or Deporting Russian agents and Oligarchs
    Or, shutting down the Russian consulate in Washington

    If thats the definition of a Putin surrogate, I'll take it.
    Didn't Putin invade Crimea under Obama and Ukraine under Biden, but nobody under Trump?
     
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    Highlighted in red: You keep posting this, I would like to hear your explanation of what the term "in exchange for" means in this context, I mean specifically.
     
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    I know the truth. This impeachment inquiry is DOA. I don't need to copy and paste rightist talking points from kook blogs such as yourself.
     
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    This bill has two provisions, does it not?
    One provision for border policy and one provision for aid.

    Senators released a $118 billion package that pairs border enforcement policy with wartime aid for Ukraine, Israel and other U.S. allies,
    McConnell had insisted last year that any border policy changes be included in the national security funding package.

    Republicans provided (and passed in the House) HR2 last May which was not even provided to the Senate for a vote.

    This new (supposed) bipartisan proposal was aimed at gaining control of an asylum system that has been overwhelmed by historic numbers of migrants coming to the border.
    All while Congress was stalled on approving $60 billion in Ukraine aid, which the U.S. has halted shipments of ammunition and missiles to Kyiv.
    And the reason they are stalled is because Republican support for billions more to Ukraine have become more and more divided.

    So, in an effort to get a better solution to the border, Republicans agreed they would support Democrats 60 billion aid package IN EXCHANGE for better border security.

    And what did they get for this exchange?
    5000 illegals a day and 1.8 million per year allowed into the US.
    Which made the bill dead on arrival.

    Also meaning that 60 billion to Ukraine is also dead on arrival.

    But as per usual, instead of providing the actual truthful context, Democrats run to their media sources to claim, Republicans shot down our border bill, which gave them everything they asked for, just so they could stop Biden from getting a win.

    You can read about it here, or any other source you decide to select.
    Senators release a border and Ukraine deal but the House speaker declares it ‘dead on arrival’
    https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-security-ukraine-15e2e3fac2b29b5b4bbe1eae8eb1c924
     
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    Pretty much everyone knows the 8 million is the encounter stat, and not how many were 'released' into US. Millions were expulsed/turned back, and most others are waiting to have their applications rejected.

    Trump/Putin ordered Johnson to kill the border solution, so we are stuck with the status quo. It is what it is.

    The topic has been discussed to death, and I have no interest in another round of repetitions, especially when its not the topic of the thread.

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