Putin threatens West with nuclear weapons if troops come to Ukraine

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  1. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    Why start a war when it looks like America will smash NATO & remove any serious impediment to doing what you want? With Trump in power it looked like he could get what he wanted without much of a fight. When to was clear that wasn't going to happen he tried a 'shock and awe' campaign that would get him what he wanted too quickly for anyone to oppose it. Didn't work.

    Under Biden NATO is stronger than it has been for decades and it gets stronger by the day.

    Right now Putin knows his best chance of winning is for Trump to win & withdraw support for Ukraine....because that is what Trump and at least half the GOP says will happen and that is what the yare trying to do in Congress. Given Trump's hostility to NATO he probably figures there is a good chance Trump will pull America out.

    He can smell weakness and will take advantage of it. A vote for Trump is a vote for Putin.
     
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    Countries saw that Putin BS after crossing the nuclear threat if they sent weapons to Ukraine

    Send in the Troops !
     
  3. FreshAir

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    America let Trump get Mouthy, now Putin feels he can do the same

    killing reporters was easy under Trump....

    Dictators love Trump

    "Putin, Saudi Crown Prince high-five at G-20 summit"


     
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    For the love of Pete... Under Obama and now Biden, the Middle East, Asia and Eastern Europe has been on fire! We are as close, if not already in a World War! FFS, the left used to be the party of anti war.. They are now the epitome of War Hawks!

    Under Trump, the Abraham peace Accords where signed. Russia had NOT advanced in Ukraine. NK agreed to a denuclearization during the "new era of peace" and "no more war" and NATO was increasing defense spending.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s not different people — it’s the same people
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The U.S. has never attacked a country that has nuclear weapons for obvious reasons.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ukraine is happening because of fall out of Trump's Quid Pro Quo
     
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    Ukraine is happening because of the US interference in Ukraines elections and the overthrow of the elected government. I'm also fairly sure that it wasn't the Trump administration that installed the 10 CIA bases in Ukraine. The "perfect phone call" had literally nothing to do with Russia's aggression. However, the Biden Quid Pro Quo in Ukraine surely did have an impacted on Russia;s aggression.
     
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    Trump played a role with his Quid Pro Quo, when that came out it made Ukraine look easily manipulated and Putin also knew when Trump got caught, as revenge he would punish Ukraine by not helping them more than he had too (due to his fragile ego), so when he left office, that was when Putin though he had his best shot
     
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    Zelenski did absolutely nothing, so how is that being easily manipulated? Now, iusing US taxpaoyer dollars to nfluence the Ukrainian government is absolutely manipulating Ukraine. Exactly what Biden did.
     
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    And bone spurs is bullying the GOP into supporting Putin. And Trump nation, which has turned a 180 on their fuhrer’s command, supports Moscow too.
     
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    The Russians punked Trump with this.

    They are the sources for the entire Hunter Biden trope. Guliani went to Kiev to meet witht pro Russian Ukranian politicialns (who all had ties to the FSB), and they fed him the idea of trying to bully Zelinsky into starting a sham investigation, that Trump and the right wing noise machine could promote.

    We really don’t know what was actually in the “perfect phone call”, because Trump ordered the real transcript classified, and the White Houe manufactured its own version for public consumption.
     
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    in Trump's mind, the fragile ego blamed Ukraine for his getting in trouble and Putin knew it
     
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    Vlad the Invader has no greater friend in America than Five Draft Deferments Joe. That's why he endorsed that cowardly putz for president.
     
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    Nuclear weapons are about 200 x stronger than fat man and little boy, with FAR more advanced delivery capabilities. You sure you wanna test it out?
     
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    Well, MAD is better than letting your enemy scare you to death.
    Capitulate to a bully and prepare to spend the rest of your life bending over holding your ankles.
    Better to die on your feet than live on your knees like a coward.
     
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    And the US is the only country that has used one against another country.
    So theres that
     
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    Yeah, whatever lol
     
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    So you think its better to sacrifice a half million Ukrainians over 3 years because it makes Biden look better.
     
  20. AmericanNationalist

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    It's about choosing your battles. I particularly don't care if Russia wins this war or not. I do care about living to tomorrow.
     
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    The left impeached him on the merits of the weak phone call that nothing came of it. Ukraine bending over when Biden says "If you want my money, you need to do something for me" (my impression of Schiff) is when Putin knew that Ukraine was US's military industrial complex play ground. Now you have other foreign governments telling Putin "NATO troops will be on the ground in Ukraine" is just another provocation. Almost like them taunting Russia to be more aggressive! Heck... NATO has already spilled the beans that NATO troops are already in Ukraine firing missiles at Russian targets and it's now been divulged that the CIA has at least 12 covert bases assisting Ukraine. Your TDS is really narrowing your view of what is really taking place in Ukraine!
     
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    FYI, North Korea still has nuclear weapons and is still pursuing more. I guess those facts in RW world does matter.
     
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    Vlad the Invader has no greater friend than your beloved savior.

    The man who publicly supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine from the start, and who has repeatedly voiced his support for Putin’s war.

    The only basis for you to even make that claim is your blind acceptance of a disingenuous remark that Putin made. Putin has a well established reputation for making these sort of one plus one equals five claims.

    Your beloved fuhrer does the same thing, all the time.

    And you and the rest of the trump crowd eat it up and repeat and repeat it.

    Why? Because your savior told you too.

    If you have any other reason for your support for Putin and his objectives, we’re all ears.
     
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    He was impeached for trying to use his office to extort a personal political favor. Which is what he did.

    No one knows what happened in that “perfect phone call” because the Trump White House moved quickly to supress the real transcript, substituting a made up transcript in its place.

    BTW, that’s the same tactic he used to gloss over inviting Russian intelligence assets to a meeting in the Trump Tower.
     
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    “NATO troops are already in Ukraine firing missiles at Russian targets and it's now been divulged that the CIA has at least 12 covert bases assisting Ukraine. Your TDS is really narrowing your view of what is really taking place in Ukraine!”

    Document these claims. Or retract them.
     

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