What to know about Biden's 2025 budget proposal

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    why do you pretend that its the poor who are "subsidizing corporations" rather than the top 20% who pay most of the taxes? what does the government get from "subsidizing" corporations vs filling the public teats with milk. The continued existence of corporations means income taxes, FICA "contributions" payroll taxes, and in many cases health insurance. funding welfare tax consumers-well that keeps people voting for Democrats
     
  2. Par10

    Par10 Well-Known Member

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    You can start out at Con-Agra right now for $17.84/hr. That's $37k per year with no experience. All you have to know is how to put food in a container. Why isn't that a living wage?

    https://careers.conagrabrands.com/us/en/
     
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    Short answer is because the company already paid taxes on the profit. The stockholders ARE THE COMPANY. Each stockholder is just a portion of the company. So they already paid their share of the taxes owed.

    This is different than dividends. The company does not pay taxes on dividends. So dividends haven't been previously taxed.

    Inflation, especially during times like these, is also built in. If inflation is 20% and the value of the stock increases 20% you haven't made any real profit. You can still only buy the same amount of stuff. Yet you get taxed as if you made a 20% profit so you actually end up losing wealth. During the last 3 years prices have doubled. Yet the markets have not doubled. Therefore on average there has been no increase in wealth. Yet taxes have been substantial. Doubly substantial at a rate most economists realize is already above the Maximum Revenue point.

    When you vilify those "Rich Greedy Corporations" you really aren't talking about sticking it to the rich. Most companies are owned by a spread of everyday average citizens. Some wealthy, some not so wealthy like your grandmother living off $50K from her savings investments. You are more than double taxing her too.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From 1979 to 2021, the top 1%’s wages grew by 206.3% and the top 0.1% by more than twice as much⁠—465.1%. Wages for the bottom 90% only grew 28.7% in the same time period.

    So now you know why they paid that share of taxes….

    The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 25.9 percent average rate, the middle quintile paid an average of 24.7
     
  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    what are the actual amount of dollars paid by the top one percent versus the middle quintile

    and you are using other taxes in addition to the federal income tax to come up with that figure. that's not very useful
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not in iowa
     
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    You need to stop visiting sights with the intent of finding manipulated data which supports your preconceived bias. The Economic Policy Institute is a Marxist group whose purpose is to highlight the injustices of capitalism against the workers of America, and to emphasize the injustices against women and people of color caused by anti-blackness, slavery, colonization, oppressive policies, practices, and institutions; and the persistence of structural racism, sexism, and xenophobia today. There vision elevates the importance of racial, gender, and worker justice as central to the world they want to see. They were created by far left radical Marxists (likely Soros, Russia and/or the CCP) in an effort to eradicate capitalism in the US by encouraging social animosity and upheaval among the working class in America.

    Hmmm? Sounds like an unbiased source to me. This means you are either a member or employed by this communist organization and are now here to spread their vitriol and misinformation, or you have fallen for their Marxist propaganda and are a gullible Hate America First sucker. Either learn how to do your own Research, learn critical thinking, turn in your membership card, or get a different job which doesn't involve spreading communist propaganda. Or perhaps you are just lazy and of the impression utilizing Google to locate obscure data which confirms your preconceived biases constitutes real knowledge and thought.

    The first step in learning to do research and think for yourself is to consider your sources. I spend 80% of my time first looking at what the source is and what their motivations are. Once I've located the proper source and data I do my own analysis or closely check theirs for validity, with a healthy dose of mathematical and statistical education. It is all too easy to alter the method of statistical analysis in a manner which tends to give misleading results.
     
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    Par10 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, that's higher than the median income in Iowa. 5% of the people in Iowa are on public assistance. Are half the people in Iowa not able to live? How does that work?
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The top 1% paid more, because they made more. Your comparing apples to transmissions here….
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, you think their “hate america” “communist marxists”…..because their democrats…ummm…ok
     
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    Ummm, no? I think one of the possibilities is YOU are a gullible Hate America First sucker for falling for their propaganda. The first paragraph is their description of themselves. You would have to answer for us what is the true situation. Are you a member? Do you work for them, helping to disseminate their propaganda? Did you just go out and type in some loaded Google query designed to locate something which supported your biased preconceived notion? Or did you fall into a trap of circular links from one anti-American anti-capitalist site to another, never bothering to perform the slightest due diligence as to who you were allowing to brainwash you with disinformation and propaganda?

    You must be more careful in the future. The internet is full of Russian, CCP, Hungarian, Soros disinformation. It has actually become quite sophisticated and subtle at times. It is also EXTREMELY well funded. They have each set up dozens and dozens of websites with a hundred or more employees each. One will go out and publish a highly biased and misleading "statistical analysis" with some impressive sounding source name. Then the other hundreds of sites will link to it around in circles until it gets picked up by lazy journalists and the like. You do know you can google ANYTHING and find someone out there in agreement. Even, "Flatulating in public dramatically improves health and human lifespan". Maybe so, but my guess is you should forego the health safety should you ever manage to even obtain a first date.
     
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  13. Turtledude

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    they pay a higher percentage on income too and yet people like you complain they dont' pay enough.

    the fact is, the top one percent are overtaxed tremendously in this country by the FEDERAL government
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep...you got us now...its all a SOROS operation, and were all on Georges payroll.....

    Cant wait to get my gubmet check next week in the same envelope as my Soros check.....

    EVERYTHING is a conspiracy in righteinglandia.....

    have a nice life
     

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