The 10 poorest states in America are....

According to the U.S. Census Bureau...These states have the highest percentages of poverty in the country: Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia, New Mexico, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, and New York.

As a side note (not in the article), 8 of the 10 voted for Trump, 2, voted for Biden (see below).

Therefore, can we conclude then, that Republican policies cause poverty?

Well, Republicans are accusing Democrats, using California as their punching bag, of causing poverty. If you are using 'guilt by association' logic, then you must conclude that, given the statistics, below, it must also be true the Republican policies cause poverty.

But, regarding California, I must note that, since it's inception, there have been more Republican governors than Democrats.

Here's what I'm driving at. There is a tendency on this forum, I see posts after posts using the 'guilt by association' logic, which is a 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' logical fallacy, I see it being used all the time, over and over I see posts using this specious logic,

The truth, after all factors are examined, the truth, being far more complex, will disabuse us of these myths, if we take the time and look at all the factors, if we are being HONEST, that they are far too complex to blame one party or the other for poverty.

So, please, stop it, stop doing this. I'll stop it, as well.

Deal?

The real truth is that both extremes of the right and left are bad. On the extreme left, we have communism(totalitarian socialism). on the extreme right, we have plutocracy/oligarchical rule, if there is a titular militaristic strongman leader, is totalitarian fascism. "Totalitarian" means 'rule of man' as opposed to 'rule of law'. Oh, there might be laws, there might even be a constitution, but, in totalitarian societies, they only pay lip service to them, it's just stuff on paper, they have no real meaning, In my view, Trump wants to move the country much farther to the right, at the expense of the rule of law, towards fascism. He reeks of it, admires, fawns over dictators. He envies them. Biden, as much as you might not like him, is left of center, but he is closer to the center than Trump is, and is therefore the wiser choice. But this is my personal opinion, so, back to the point of the thread......

The point is.......

Both extremes result in poverty. So, the key, therefore, is to move to the MIDDLE.

Which, is what I argue, in this post, made a few years back. I ask everyone to read it, and comment about it, if you have the time.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/politics-of-the-center-what-is-it.585857/

1. Mississippi: Voted for Donald Trump (Republican).
2. Louisiana: Also voted for Donald Trump (Republican).
3. West Virginia: Again, voted for Donald Trump (Republican).
4. New Mexico: Voted for Joe Biden (Democrat).
5. Arkansas: Voted for Donald Trump (Republican).
6. Kentucky: Also voted for Donald Trump (Republican).
7. Alabama: Once more, voted for Donald Trump (Republican).
8. Oklahoma: Voted for Donald Trump (Republican).
9. Texas: Voted for Donald Trump (Republican).
10. New York: Voted for Joe Biden (Democrat).

The point is, there is a tendency by partisans, here, there, and just about everywhere, to use either extreme to define the closer to the middle majority, and this is guilt by association to each parties extreme, which is dishonest.

Repubs point to extreme leftr, and say, 'See, dems are bad". Dems point to extreme right, and say 'See, repubs are bad'.

The truth is, whoever is closer to either extreme, is the worse choice.

The truth is, whoever is closer to the middle, is the best choice.

I'd say Trump is closer to fascism/plutocracy, much closer, than Biden is to totalitarian socialism/communism. THAT is where the debate actually is. So, let's discuss.

https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2023-11/top-10-poorest-states-us

 

GOP Trickle-down Economics: STEAL FROM THE POOR AND THE MIDDLE CLASS AND REDISTRIBUTE THAT WEALTH TO THE RICH.
The top 1% of American earners now own more wealth than the entire middle class
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...earners-more-wealth-middle-class/71769832007/

Of the top 1%, the wealth is held mostly by the 1% of the 1%. Talk about socialism, plutocratic socialism that is. Yet the GOP is clamoring for more tax cuts for the richest of the rich while at the same demanding that cuts be made to Social Security and Medicare.

 

So, obviously, Joe Biden increased poverty in the US, regardless of who these states might have voted for. Or, flip side of this is that Biden is punishing the states with poverty that didn't vote for him.... Or, the massive influx of unemployed illegal migrants is artificially skewing the statistics and is still Joe Bidens fault. So many options.

 

By per capita GDP the 10 poorest are Mississippi, West Virginia, Arkansas, Alabama, South Carolina, Idaho, Kentucky, New Mexico, Montana, and Oklahoma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP

Louisiana, Texas, and New York are replaced by South Carolina, Idaho, and Montana.

 

My states were listed by the poverty rate for individuals, not the GDP where 'poor' is actually felt.

 

And as been pointed out to you numerous every one of those states was run by Democrats lock stock and barrel since freaking reconstruction to the mid nineties.It can take a while to fix problems that have been in the making for more than a hundred years especially when you are fighting the federal government every step of the way. Now tell us in constant dollars where CA was 40 years ago and where it is now.

 

I don't think that the US Census Bureau poverty rate is a particularly good measure. The "Poverty Threshold" does not vary by geography, while cost of living does. Also, only cash income is considered, and housing assistance, food stamps, and tax credits are not.

https://www.census.gov/topics/income-poverty/poverty/guidance/poverty-measures.html

 

The point is, you are biased and only view the world through blue tinted glasses. It is the blue states which contain the highest levels of homelessness and wealth inequality, not to mention violence and crime.

 

The poorest people usually vote for someone who promises the most, and not doubt Honest Don knows how to promise.
Most interesting is the relationship between the education and poverty, here is some data:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_educational_attainment

 

Can you identify the debate fallacy in that question?

 

Man, lefties love to rip on poor country folk, so does Dave Chappelle but at least when Dave Chapelle does it, its actually funny.
Here's the thing, they might be money poor but they are not HUMANITY poor. These people help each other and can make a fun time out of anything. I have spent time with people like this before and as a fairly well off urbanite, I must say, they are living BETTER than most.
Most urbanites (not talking about myself here) work their butts off (usually with no sun light), come home all stressed, pop some xanax, watch netflix, rinse and repeat. Out in the country they are having warm fires outside their trailers and doing square dancing and having a blast. Poorer bank account doesn't = poorer life. Shame on the ELITES for looking down on people like that. Truly disgusting!

 

The time has come,’ the Walrus said,
To talk of many things:
Of shoes — and ships — and sealing-wax —
Of cabbages — and kings —
And why the sea is boiling hot —
And whether pigs have wings.’

Oh, and fairy tales.

 

That's the logic Republicans routinely employ. For example, most crime occurs in cities (same is true in every country), and Dems run most cities, and therefore crime must be the direct result of Dem policies.

Using the same logic: Red States are poor, and they are ran by Republicans, and therefore poverty must be direct results of their policies.

I wish it was that simple.

You almost never hear Dems use that logic, but with Republicans it's the standard. When there are problems like poverty in red States, they always try to find a way to blame someone else, - Democrats, blacks, immigrants, gays, etc

 

I'm with him on this....

 

So we literally have actual metrics to evaluate Biden with, and it looks obvious that he's creating poverty. The Carol poem only validates further that Biden will destroy the world around him because it's his nature to do so. Thanks for the citation.

 

Not surprisingly the overwhelming majority of states with the least healthy populations are also Red states.

 

You neglected to factor in the cost of living. Common mistake.

1. California
> Supplemental poverty rate: 18.1% (the highest)
> Official poverty rate: 12.5% (18th highest)
> Cost of living: 14.8% more than national avg. (3rd highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 8.5% (12th lowest)
> Median household income: $75,277 (6th highest)

2. Maryland
> Supplemental poverty rate: 12.4% (21st highest)
> Official poverty rate: 7.2% (2nd lowest)
> Cost of living: 9.4% more than national avg. (5th highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 9.4% (16th lowest)
> Median household income: $83,242 (the highest)

3. New Jersey
> Supplemental poverty rate: 14.0% (9th highest)
> Official poverty rate: 9.1% (6th lowest)
> Cost of living: 12.9% more than national avg. (4th highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 8.2% (10th lowest)
> Median household income: $81,740 (2nd highest)

4. Hawaii
> Supplemental poverty rate: 13.7% (13th highest)
> Official poverty rate: 9.5% (9th lowest)
> Cost of living: 18.5% more than national avg. (the highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 10.0% (19th lowest)
> Median household income: $80,212 (3rd highest)

5. Florida
> Supplemental poverty rate: 16.2% (3rd highest)
> Official poverty rate: 13.6% (14th highest)
> Cost of living: 0.1% less than national avg. (15th highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 13.8% (8th highest)
> Median household income: $55,462 (14th lowest)

6. Delaware
> Supplemental poverty rate: 11.9% (23rd highest)
> Official poverty rate: 9.6% (11th lowest)
> Cost of living: 0.1% more than national avg. (14th highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 11.3% (24th highest)
> Median household income: $64,805 (16th highest)

7. New York
> Supplemental poverty rate: 14.0% (9th highest)
> Official poverty rate: 11.8% (23rd highest)
> Cost of living: 15.8% more than national avg. (2nd highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 14.6% (7th highest)
> Median household income: $67,844 (14th highest)

8. Virginia
> Supplemental poverty rate: 12.8% (17th highest)
> Official poverty rate: 10.7% (19th lowest)
> Cost of living: 2.1% more than national avg. (13th highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 7.9% (8th lowest)
> Median household income: $72,577 (10th highest)

9. Colorado
> Supplemental poverty rate: 10.8% (21st lowest)
> Official poverty rate: 8.9% (5th lowest)
> Cost of living: 3.2% more than national avg. (11th highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 7.2% (5th lowest)
> Median household income: $71,953 (11th highest)

10. New Hampshire
> Supplemental poverty rate: 8.2% (6th lowest)
> Official poverty rate: 6.4% (the lowest)
> Cost of living: 5.8% more than national avg. (9th highest)
> SNAP recipiency: 6.7% (3rd lowest)
> Median household income: $74,991 (7th highest)

https://247wallst.com/special-repor...here-poverty-is-worse-than-you-might-think-2/

 

Wage Growth


Unemployment

Unemployment has dropped from over 11% under Trump to under 4% with Biden

Dow under Trump? 19200
Dow under Biden? 39,584.38

Every measure says BIDENOMICS is kicking butt.

I am so sorry for your disappointment.

 

Then, the Biden struck his staff against the rock and said "Let there be jobs." and jobs appeared!

I often heat trump supporters being referred to as cult-like followers. Crediting biden for jobs shows a religious-like devotion. Government is never responsible for growth; only the degree in which growth is hindered.

 

No, that magic schtick is Trumpism.

Biden
Put together and executed a plan to battle COVID
Infrastructure Bill
Inflation Reduction Act
restoring confidence with European military and trading partners...

It's called 'HARD WORK" with a plan
as opposed to
golfing every day and tweeting all night.

 

Congratulations. you missed the entire point and premise of the OP. Read it again and this time actually read it.

 

Read the OP.....I explained it in explicit terms.Just read the darn thing and read ALL of it

 

i will identify it for you. It is the non sequitur fallacy..

 

With the exception of West Virginia, those states have the largest non-whites per capita in the country.

 

The more likely reason is that the population tends to be rural and many tend to rely more on home grown food. The numbers say there is more poverty, but the cost of living is considerably lower. We may be poor, but we are happy.