The majority of Americans recognize that the Cheat is already on-

The left rarely acts in unison. It is a collection of many views that often conflict with one another, to the point that it could never agree on one dictator.

 

I didn’t want Trump. I don’t want him now. I wish we had another candidate.

But the issue of what the Democrat Party is up to is more important than Trump’s deficiencies.

 

Your shouting does not change the facts. The Democrats are abusing the function of the Justice System, and they are getting more brazen with it as time passes.

 

"DEFICIENCIES"? The ****ing guy is a tRaitor, and proud of it. His tRumpublican's love him FOR it.

 

I don't fully agree, but I think that is a rational opinion. I am liberal and would choose the liberal over the conservative in most elections, but I do see some serious problems with how the political establishment (not just Democrats) appear to be abusing the legal and political systems to oust Trump, who they see rightly or wrongly as a great threat to the nation.

Their actions against him will likely have longer lasting consequences than anything he does. They are setting precedent that will then be used against future presidents and raising the partisan fervor when it is already dangerously high.

One big reason most on the left can't see this is because Trump has cried wolf so many times in the past. Every election he loses he will predictability declare rigged, etc. So actual improper actions taken to oust him are dismissed as more of the same.

 

It’s the Democrat leadership that is complete lock step. Look at how they vote in the House and Senate, almost completely has a unit. They take control of the government, and the people have no say. You can’t vote them out because they control the ballot box and voter rolls.

 

The FACT is "I MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT A DICTATOR FOR MY BELOVED CONSTITUTIONAL UNITED STATES". I will "shout" all ****ing day long if you say that I do.

And, NO! The Democrats are not abusing the Justice System! Most of the people bringing cases against, most of the witness's are former tRaitor tRump supporters!

TRaitor tRump is in the legal situation he's in because tRaitor tRump broke the law. Any other American that tried any one of his crimes would already be in jail.

 

That is more projection, the Democrats have been bending over backward, time after time to placate the LoonyQ far right, just to keep the government running.

 

You assume that nobody gets away with crime for lack of evidence? Courtroom evidence or lack of it isn't proof a crime did or did not happen. The objective of crime is to not get caught.
Fewer than half the reported crimes in the US are solved- and the number reported is about half the number committed, because people lack faith in the justice system doing anything for them.

 

I think you should research Gerstmann's Syndrome bro.

 

But tRaitor tRump did.

Link?

 

Few know all the actual details. So many have cried wolf about Trump for so long, and taken his words out of context so many times, that he is able to dismiss most accusations as fake news and it is plausibly so. This is what hyperpartisanship does to a nation. You (as we see upthread) bring it on yourself.

 

If you prefer your discredited delusion, so be it.

I'll stay with reality supported by actual evidence.

 

The majority of Americans are also mindless sheep. So there’s that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Why does that only apply to Trump? The right has cried wolf about Biden equally as much (not even talking about their decades long smear campaign and investigations against Hillary and Obama). Yet, they get a pass?

The truth is that negative campaigning works. The way to win is to make the opponent look worse than yourself. Thus, it's a war about who is better at painting the opponent as the devil. Is it disgusting and harmful to the country? Yes. Is it political reality? Yes.

 

You motion pictures are annoying, not convincing. You are playing to your audience only.

 

YOU may not want a dictatorship, but the leaders of your party do. Starting with the Clintons and continuing with the Bidens , they found out that the easy path to great wealth and power was to sell government influence. Once you have that power, you can buy many minions to give their support to you via votes in Congress, coverups and cabinet level positions.

Undue government influence always has been a problem of democracy, but the competition between the parties, especially in states and localities where there were two viable parties, kept it in check. Now, with the Democrats gaining control of the education system, the system of checks and balances is disappearing.

Some Republicans think that Trump has been a counterbalance to this trend. After his childish behavior following the 2020 election, he has become an easy target for the Democrats to condemn all who oppose them.

 

We expect it from the Rush Limbaughs, Glen Becks, and Alex Jones' of the land, and they have indeed doine if for decades. Serious news has now stooped to that level with Trump. Rachel Maddow isn't the end of it, nor is Fox News. You can see it in mainstream reporting that Trump "wants to be a dictator" or that Trump "called immigrants" (generally) that line of insults before "and some of them are good people". He called it out as Fake News, and he was right in many cases, which has caused most of the right and many in the centre to believe him when he then calls credible allegations against him fake news.

True. And look where it has led us. It is going to get Trump re-elected, and it makes rational political discussion nearly impossible in the US. It is a breath of fresh air when we see anyone willing to criticize all that's bad and praise all thats good regardless of party affiliations.

 

Comes down to what kind of government you are forced to live under, legitimate or the opposite.

 

Rachel Maddow is not serious news, her show is an opinion show. Does she at times take Trump's words out of context? Probably (I don't watch her). On the other hand, Trump's rants against migrants are well documented, and serious news shows like the NPR News hour are well in their right to play back his dehumanizing language when it comes to this topic. Trump can't really complain, he says a lot of outrageous things to garner support from the base. If he doesn't want the news to play back those clips, then maybe he shouldn't say those things.

In any case, I am all for honesty in the news media, but not only the MSM, but social media as well. Often, those falsehood become exaggerated because they are repeated millions of times by the social media foot soldiers, who are only too happy to do the lying for their favorite candidate. You only have to look at this forum, photoshopped images, fake quotes, fake news are peddled on here on an hourly basis, and have you ever seen anyone apologize when found out? Never.

As to myself, you can check on the recent thread on the Trump "bloodbath" comment to check my credentials on this issue. I agree that the political polarization is tearing the country apart. Unfortunately, nobody wants to do their part to make it better, they just want the other side to submit.

 

You are right, the way it is going DEMS will became dictator because your party lost it’s mind. It’s not DEMS fault that your party nominated - Herschel Walker, Kari Lake, Dr. Oz all these 3rd rated American who had ZERO chance winning election. if you had better candidate in 2022, mitch mcconnell would be senate majority leader. It’s not the DEMS but GOP is on it’s way to oust Speaker of the House 2nd time in 2 years.

Most DEMS wants a worthy Republican party. But your party today is party of MTZ, Matt Gates and Trump. Even as republican, you don't approve them.

 

I'm not hellbent to make sure 'he wins against Ukraine'. I'm hellbent to make sure we stay out of the conflict, or at the very least WE, the US get something out of it. We entered and won two world wars, and here we are AGAIN. Potentially close to a third conflict in as many as 100 years.

And the reason there's so much conflict is because we can become involved. We can tilt the balance in any military equation, thus the need and prerogative for peace becomes nil. Why work out problems when the Americans can just bomb 'x country here'?

And I'm sick of it. We are not a military merchant state, and if we are we're a poorly compensated one.

 

He says a lot of ambiguous things, which the left wing news then take the bait from and twist to the least charitible interpretation. I do think he does it on purpose to generate buz, and then is able to push back on it because they do come across to the right and to centrists as disingenuous in their interpretation of what he said. The most recent being him saying there would be a "bloodbath" (in the auto industry; clearly meaning it would be a disaster) and it was immediately spun as him calling for blood. This cycle benefits both him and them in generating market for what they are selling. It hurts the nation in a more broad sense though.

I missed that thread, and I wasn't referring to you above. You are one of the few more reasonable people on this forum.

 

You right. I am tired of Matt Gates and the other fools. If Gates were in my congressional district, I would support "promaring him." They are dumb politicians.

Marjory Taylor Greene just pissed me off with her plan to oust the Speaker. Just when you think that woman might have gathered up a few of her lost marbles, she spits them out again.

 

No they don't. You have to "SAY" that to counter all tRaitor tRumps dictator desires, FROM HIS OWN MOUTH!

That's an accusation devoid of fact.

That's not true either, you name one thing and give no proof that Democrats have control of education. Educated people BECOME Democrats because they aren't easily convinced to vote against their own best interests; which is exactly what voting for tRaitor tRump and the tRumpublicans is.

After his criminal behavior after the 2020 election he's an easy target for American's that believe the law should apply equally to everyone.