So you think Trump is going to win the election, eh? Not so fast.....

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  1. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's hard to know hard to predict whether or not Trump wins. I know what I want to happen but that's different than predicting what's going to happen so in order to not engage in wishful thinking I'm going to decline prediction
     
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    And if MSN says it, it's unquestionably factual. Right?
     
  5. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Alright let's see your proof.

    I see........ you don't have any.

    Got it.
     
  6. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure.... Joe Biden does not have to receive any money at all to be involved in bribery and money laundering as long as his family member benefit.. We have him at multiple Hunter business meetings... we have testimony he is the big guy and he was the "closer" as the brand being sold...

    It is funny the left started out crying for bank records and receipts as proof, and now that Comer has published those bank records and receipts, that still is not enough...


    second memo 36 page
    https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Bank-Memorandum-5.10.23.pdf

    This is an example of the reasonable suspicion "evidence" they uncovered that should have had the DOJ all over it where the family receives money through a maze of shell companies...

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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    As president he cannot possibly steal such documents because he is the ultimate 'classifier and declassifier as president.
     
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    Except he didn't declassify the files he took. Did you not hear the recording of him saying just that?
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    That was about one specific not all and none of the people that witnessed it saw the actual document just the cover.
     
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    We have his recorded words saying it wasn't declassified which means it is a lie when anyone says he declassified EVERY document he took just by thinking about it
     
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    Back on topic, I've got a question for dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporters:

    Let's say Trump is elected, and he pushes through a SIXTY-PERCENT tariff on goods made in China... does that mean that "happy days are here again"...? OK, let's take a quick look at that assumption.

    So, Bubba Six-pack rolls into ____________ (fill in the blank) to buy _____________ (fill in the blank), and to his horror he finds that the price of this stuff has gone up 60%. Now, how does that have a positive impact on those "happy days" I mentioned in the paragraph above? It's 'Business 101' -- business owners have to raise prices when costs soar!

    Does Trump think that just because he puts a devastating series of tariffs on goods made in China that it automatically means that most Americans are going to be "better off", or that American will automatically be "made great again"...? Think: how much of everything you buy is made in China (or in other countries that Trump doesn't particularly like)?

    Ooh. But before you jump down my throat, I'll add that I despise and loathe "Big Guy" Biden and that moron he has perched in the Naval Observatory so much that I'll vote for Trump anyway -- but that doesn't mean that I have any belief that Trump will be good for the overall economy. Remember -- Trump is the one who bitched and complained that we should have NEGATIVE interest rates! All that would do is further over-bloat an already overvalued, over-bloated stock market even more than it already is! :xd:
     
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  13. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is absolutely false.

    While the president does have significant authority over classification, this power does not extend to circumventing laws regarding the handling of sensitive information. This is especially true for the nuclear doc he was found in possession of, whose reclassification requires coordination with the classifying source, per the Atomic Energy Act (possession of that document alone, depending on damage assessments, can get you up to life in prison). Charges under the Espionage Act relate to the mishandling of information that could potentially harm the United States, irrespective of its classification status, noting that the charge of Espionage does not depend on any classification regime.

    Moreover, all documents generated by the government remain government property; declassification does not alter this fact. Thus, even if former President Trump had declassified the documents—which there is no substantiated evidence to confirm—the charges related to unauthorized possession would still be valid. Furthermore, even if damage assessments by the Director of National Intelligence were to influence sentencing, the fundamental issue remains the mishandling and unauthorized retention of sensitive materials.

    Please note that Trump's indictment was due to his obstructing the government's efforts to retrieve the documents, which constitute the aggravated circumstance threshold he crossed the metric of which the DOJ applies to exec branch staff --as they do not charge or mere possession if they cooperate in the return of the documents. Biden, Reagan, and Pence did, Trump didn't.
     
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    Once he is in prison, they can write him love letters.

    Hah!
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Horse crap. 1st off Trump doesn't have to prove he did. The government has to prove he didn't and lots of luck with that and sorry no, the president decides what is his and what isn't
     
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    You don't that and can't produce any documents.... you show you can't back up your claim at all..
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    My comment was fact.

    Sorry
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    No your comment was your opinion. It is wrong.
     
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    More left fake news from fake WaPo.... this left wing garbage journalism is getting old... WaPo doesn't have a clue what Trump did or did not give the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a oval office meeting..

    Please stop posting this misinformation and left propaganda

    https://archive.ph/3pBEk#selection-1093.33-1093.78
    "said a U.S. official familiar with the matter"

    I find it so funny the indictment has Trump talking about an attack plan and a senior military advisor on July 21, 2021... The New Yorker ran a July 15, 2021 article describing exactly what Trump was reciting in the audio from it 6 days later...It is no longer classified being run in a public article... So how did they get the classified information for publication before Trump did??
    https://archive.is/qxwDt


    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I've told you this many times:

    Per McDonnell v United States, Joe does have to be a participating recipient. You have evidence of neither.

    Quit posting this nonsense.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your rebuttal fails to counter my substantive argument.

    Fail
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I did not source washington post , but that is a legitimate source.


    None of that is relevant to my post.

    Besides, you have posted no argument.

    Links are not an argument

    Please find a real argument.

    Use links to supplement your argument.But you can't use links to make your argument.

    Since you are unwilling to contribute to the debate i'm putting you back on ignore
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    You didn't make an argument you quoted other opinion that were just as wrong as you own. I don't care how many wrong opinions you dredge up in support of your own they are still wrong.
     

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