Johnson demands Biden send in National Guard during raucous Columbia visit

Keep in mind who attacked the Israelis, killing hundreds and kidnapped civilians who the Hamas are still holding. Israel is now showing they want an "eye for an eye". Payback can be hell, just ask Hamas.

 

Will there be more demonstrators in Milwaukee during July or in Chicago during August?

Another Chicago '68 convention will not help the Democrats.

 

I agree that students are paying almost 45K ( In Colombia Uni) a semester . Majority students wants to go to school. Less then 1% students who are doing all this. I feel for the students who couldn’t attend their commencement ceremony. Worked 4 years and couldn’t even attend his/her own graduation.

Having said all that, I do not support sending National Guard to remove students. As I have said in your thread , most are just kids who truly don’t care either way. Yes, there are outside groups, Arab students backed by big Oil money from ME doing this. Another 2 weeks left , let the semester end without incident.

But I hope universities wake up. They need to have better guideline when and how to protest. Past 10 years, a speaker with opposite view can’t even speak on campus.

 

Some on the MAGA are mad at Mike J because he passed the bill to send money to Ukraine. Mike J no longer conservative who loves America. Now Mike J is Uni party who hate America.

 

MAGA can’t think that further.

 

Such nonsense!

Psychopaths can understand rational thinking. They can even understand morals. And they have a PERFECT understanding of rule of law. They know that if they get caught they'll go to prison. In fact, most psychopaths DON'T commit immoral acts BECAUSE they understand rule of law (and other ethical cannons). The ONLY difference is that, having no emotions, they don't feel the need to adhere to a moral and ethical behavior other than PRECISELY the rule of law.

Anyway... this nonsense has managed to veer me too far off topic. Open a thread, if you want discuss this further. The only reason why you wouldn't is because the matter is now settled, and you wish to keep it here to limit the debate. So I'm done...

 

Actually the best way is to follow the suggestions in the “activists handbook” - infiltrate the groups with someone able to take control of a crowd then use de escalation techniques - get them to sit down, sing kumbaya etc - better yet have someone ask them to write out a manifesto and submit it.

 

Israel has been doing that to Palestinians long before Oct 7th. What you should be asking is why Israel allowed Oct 7th to happen knowing it was coming (as reported from both left and right wing media).

 

There is some suggestion Netanyahu is trying to “wag the dog” to get out of a possible criminal trial. I have a thread on this

 

Pro-Palestinian protestors should gather outside the Israeli embassy or consulates instead of disrupting universities. Presidents of those institutions should call on local police to haul off students protesting illegally.

 

Four hour drive between New York and Washington that students could do in their self-driving Teslas, and all....

Damn, that First Amendment!

 

The First Amendment does not allow you to disrupt other activities or to threaten other people with bodily harm.

 

Threatening other people with bodily harm is the crime of assault and should be prosecuted as such. Unfortunately, the police are very poor at arresting people for assault and the courts don't enforce the law well.

On the other hand, disrupting other activities and/or inconveniencing the public is typically legal and protected by the First Amendment. For example, picketing has been the subject of numerous court cases and is generally legal with some restrictions. It is justifiable as expression equivalent to speech or an aspect of the freedom of assembly.

 

They are not allowed to keep the school from conducting their normal business or to set up tents anywhere they want on campus.

 

Israel Consulate
800 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10017

It's not my right to make my issue more important than all of your issues. Abortion rights for women in this country are more important to me than what's going on in Gaza. So, I think I should shout down your demonstration on behalf of Israel or Palestine because it's a distraction from more important matters. First Amendment?

 

Can I disrupt you on your way to the hospital?

 

Starving? I'm sure the Hamas fighters have food, but then there's this, a pier being built to accept aid for Gaza was attacked with mortars by Hamas.

Hamas is starving people to death.

 

It happens.

In New York, when there is a jumper on a bridge, the police sometimes close the bridge while they deal with the jumper. If your ambulance needs to cross the bridge, you are out of luck.

I don't think that jumpers are ever prosecuted for consequential harms. Ideally, if a jumper causes someone to die in the above scenario, once retrieved from the bridge, the jumper should be tried for murder and executed.

 

We wouldn't prosecute a crazy person, but how about a protestor?

I would let the ambulance through and if the guy jumps, so be it.

Not the jumper, perhaps, but a pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli protestor might deserve punidhment.

 

Your rights end where other people's rights begin. If, for example, protests keep a woman from exercising her right to have an abortion, the protesters should be removed to allow the woman to exercise her right. But I shiver when I hear the word "arrested". If besides the protests, they are do something illegal (like breaking windows in the Capitol or attacking police...), sure. But not BECAUSE they are protesting. You probably didn't mean that... but somebody might interpret it that way if we don't make it patently clear.

As for "importance". I'm not sure that one is more important than the other. I guess it depends on the circumstances, more than anything. A woman's life is certainly more important than people out on the street yelling. But as a blanket statement.... I just don't know....

 

When I went to college, in May of 1970, the radicals called for the students "to shut down the university so that we can open it up to the community."

I think that would be a great idea if we did that for Columbia University permanently. It's nothing but a far left indoctrination center anyway. We could shut it down, an the "students" who wanted to stay could live in their tents and have radical teach-ins all day.

 

Asks the guy who wants all January 6th rioters released.

 

• Is that a yes or a no?

 

Nobody is above the law in my view. Can you say the same? Or do you hold the January 6th rioters to a different standard?

 

When compared to other protesters, like the ones who took over the Wisconsin state capitol, Arizona capitol and the current crop of pro Hamas protesters, I think the J6ers were over punished and suffered enough.