Biden Administration to close gun show loophole

The UK banned handguns in 1997 but hardly anyone (less than 1%) owned handguns before the ban. So is the problem America's gun culture? Maybe new laws are needed to help change that (if people are not going to voluntarily choose to give up their guns).

 

That said, what effect did the handgun ban have on firearm related violent crime?

>50% of the murders in he US are committed by a demographic which represents about 5% of the US population
That's the problem, and it doesn't have anything to do with the -gun- culture.

 

The many Americans who value guns over the collective good of society is a problem. Their opposition to common sense gun control makes it easy for people who have evil intentions to acquire guns. That's the culture that needs to change.

 

Did you just avoid my entire post?
Yes, yes you did.
Concession accepted.

You cannot demonstrate that the ownership of firearms in the US goes against the collective good of society.

There no sense, common or otherwise in unnecessary, ineffective. and unconstitutional gun control laws.

Anyone willing to break the law to get a gun, will get a gun.
It doesn't matter what the laws are.

This means you have to convince reasonable, rational people to accept unnecessary, ineffective and unconstitutional laws.
Good luck.

 

several completely fraudulent comments here. your dichotomy sucks, those of us who value legal guns are not the ones who want to harm society. YOU think gun ownership harms society because you are a hard core leftist and you don't like how gun owners often vote--they vote against communists progressives, socialists etc. NOTHING YOU PUSH IS COMMON SENSE unless common sense is stuff that harasses people you don't like politically. It's leftwing scum bags in office who pretend gun control is crime control,, They do so because they don't want to actually punish criminals because criminals are a constituency of the left

 

It seems pretty pathetic to me that you use propaganda as a means of fabricating strawman and pretending that guns don't make adequate tools for self-defense.

If you don't want to defend yourself with a gun and depend on a rape whistle or something... That is your right but don't sit here and pretend like you have a right to boss American citizens around

 

Bingo!

 

They’re called laws, and that’s how we stop criminality in this country.

 

nope, the way we stop criminals is to enforce the laws, or incarcerate them or the police or citizens use force against them. You seem to think that people who disobey malum per se laws will somehow obey malum prohibitum laws

 

the culture you all want to change is people voting against the malignant marxist lite policies you and he want

 

No that's actually not how you stop criminality not at all. Criminality is violation of law so there has to be law first for there to be criminality. If law stopped violation of law that would be no criminality.

What you used to stop criminality in this country or any country is enforcement. It's not enough to make it illegal to drink and drive and you have to pull people over arrest them and sentence them.

So it's not just enforcement you also need Justice.

Without enforcement or Justice laws are nothing. Even law abiding in that situation would stop being law abiding because there's no benefit.

 

Well I value the collective good of society so therefore I value the right to on firearms kind of like the right to free speech and so forth. That is a collective good of a society.

That's why there's a constitutional amendment.

I don't think disarmament of the population is good at all. I think it's step one on the March to totalitarian dictatorship.

 

Even if we take collectivism the collective of our society benefits from armed citizens. When our government is afraid of us it listens to us. It is meant to be kept in line that's what the entire Constitution is about it's limits on the government and that's a collective good. It has been what has created the most prosperous country in all of history.

So even if you're a collectivist you have to support ownership of firearms. That is the collective power. That would be how you would defeat a fascist dictator.

 

The sad old “defenders of freedom” argument. All those assault weapons are nothing more than ticking time bombs wsiting for some mental chemical imbalance to form in your brain.

 

your irrational fear of "assault weapons" demonstrates, once again, that gun banners haven't a clue about gun related crime or gun use

 

There are more firearms than persons in the US.

Trying to take away firearms and ammunition is literally what kicked off the Revolution which made this nation.
To be clear: We rebelled against the most powerful nation on the planet at the time.

This is a poor choice.

 

which is why 99% of those who want to ban guns are fans of totalitarianism or leftist coercive collectivism

 

I want the gun banners to lead the fight to confiscate guns-starting with firearms that are owned in violation of state and federal law by felons and fugitives. when they succeed in disarming those dangerous individuals, maybe their schemes might have more merit.

 

No, when the government fears armed citizens it becomes more aggressive and tries to make sure it is armed with more powerful weapons. Why do you think there are so many cop on citizen shootings in the US compared to other countries? Widespread gun ownership creates an atmosphere of fear and paranoia in which the police know that at any time they can be shot. They become more likely to shoot first and ask questions later if they suspect that someone might be armed.

 

The people can be just as or more tyrannical than the government.

"Other paranoid voices argue that the citizens should arm themselves against their own government. Sometimes they point to Waco or Ruby Ridge as examples, usually failing to note that it was precisely people arming themselves against government that attracted the government's attention in the first place. Would you have supported the 'freedom' for Hitler and his cronies to own guns in 1932? Mao in 1947-48? Because those freedoms directly led to the abrogation of the ultimate right -- the right to life -- for at least 30 million people. Gun control is NOT about a government trying to disarm a people so that government can be tyrannical. It is about trying to disarm people so that people cannot be."
https://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zj5j-gttl/freedom.htm

 

we value the freedom to own guns over the emotionally feigned concern and dishonest rhetoric of the gun banning left. Nothing you propose has any common sense value into decreasing crime. One of the reason why we own guns is to safeguard our freedoms against the malignancy of the left's marxist lite authoritarianism. What needs to change is the hateful lies of the anti gun left and their false claims that public safety motivates them

 

Lol if this were true there'd be a lot more dead people

 

I think they are pawns. They'll be the first ones in the gas chambers. As they outlived their usefulness

 

Lol that's not how the government works. It's a servant.

More criminals threading the lives of police.

That wouldn't change if it was illegal.

No they don't such an actual would be murder.

 

"About 1,000 civilians are killed every year by a law enforcement officer in the USA, more than 90% by firearms. Most civilians who are shot are armed with a firearms. Higher rates of officer-involved shootings (OIS) are positively associated with state-level firearm ownership. Laws relaxing restrictions on civilians carrying concealed firearms (CCW) have been associated with increased violent crime. This study examines associations between CCW laws and OIS. We accessed counts of fatal and nonfatal OIS from the Gun Violence Archive (GVA) from 2014-2020 and calculated rates using population estimates. We conducted legal research to identify passage years of CCW laws. We used an augmented synthetic control models with fixed effects to estimate the effect of Permitless CCW law adoption on OIS over fourteen biannual semesters. We calculated an inverse variance weighted average of the overall effect. On average, Permitless CCW adopting states saw a 12.9% increase in the OIS victimization rate or an additional 4 OIS victimizations per year, compared to what would have happened had law adoption not occurred. Lax laws regulating civilian carrying of concealed firearms were associated with higher incidence of OIS. The increase in concealed gun carrying frequency associated with these laws may influence the perceived threat of danger faced by law enforcement. This could contribute to higher rates of OIS."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35536393/

More guns and lax laws means more people getting shot by the police. So much for society benefitting from armed citizens.