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Discussion in 'Current Events' started by MasTequila, Aug 21, 2010.

  1. wopper stopper

    wopper stopper New Member

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    sour grapes from the aggressors?
     
  2. Nonbeliever

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramco#Timeline

    These are just things in the past, I can list more things if you want to! I don't want the oil you stole back. I just want all your troops to leave, and I want a lot less diplomatic relations with you and with few European countries, I want my country independent, free, and democratic. The first obstacle is your country.
     
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    Keep telling yourself that. :-D
     
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  5. Rapunzel

    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    Financial data

    The "FT's Non-Public 150" by the Financial Times and McKinsey - the study of the world’s largest unlisted companies — found that Saudi Aramco is worth an estimated $781 billion USD, dwarfing the $454 billion USD market capitalisation of its rival ExxonMobil (published: December 2006).[9][10]

    Financial data (2008):[11]

    * Fiscal Year End: December
    * Revenue: $233.3 billion USD
    * Revenue Growth (1 yr): 43.70%
    * Employees: 54,441
    * Employee Growth (1 yr): 4.50%
    * Oil reserves: 259.9 billion barrels (4.132×1010 m3)
    * Production: 8.5 million barrels per day (1,350,000 m3/d)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramco#Timeline

    Looks like they're doing OK for having a lot of oil stolen.
     
  6. Nonbeliever

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    Gas prices doesn't mean Americans aren't stealing from us, go research American workers in Saudi, they are paid the salary of ministers plus crazy benefits like cars, free homes, and the best health insurance in the country, if we were independent from your country, we would kick all of you and replace you with Saudis or at least Chinese workers who will work much harder and get no benefits. :mrgreen:
     
  7. Nonbeliever

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    We would do a lot much better if we replaced Alsaud with an independent democracy, we would be topping the world.
     
  8. Rapunzel

    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    So, you just want slave labor.
     
  9. Nonbeliever

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    Where did I say slave labor? I want workers not thieves.
     
  10. MasTequila

    MasTequila New Member Past Donor

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    So American ingenuity helps you harvest the oil that you had no idea how to do and you claim that it is stealing. The countries profit massively from the oil that we helped them get. They (the countries) employ Americans and pay them handsomely and you again feel that we are stealing oil and resources.

    The oil in these countries are sold on the free market to any country that wants to buy it.
     
  11. Rapunzel

    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    http://countrystudies.us/saudi-arabia/40.htm


    Look like there are about 44 other countries you need to deal with besides the US,
     
  12. Nonbeliever

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    When the unemployment rate is from 25% to 30% and when 60% of Saudis don't own houses, meanwhile there's an agreement between AlSaud and the U.S, 100,000 westerners work here(most of them are Americans) and they are paid from 10,000 to 25,000 U.S dollars a month, excluding the crazy benefits that they get, now thats a price Alsaud pays so they can be protected by Americans, I don't wanna pay that price, I wanna train my own people, and slowly replace all the expats with Saudis, if I needed expats, the Asians are much better!
     
  13. Nonbeliever

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    I'd be glad to replace Westerners with Asians, but I don't like the high expats we have (7 million people) there are many nationalities that are harmful, like westerners and Bangladishis, I prefer Indians, Syri Lankans and Philippians, I don't care about their religions as long as they obey the laws and work honestly. I also would like to allow women to drive and get rid of all the private drivers that we have, private drivers aren't as harmful as Westerners, the salary of an American equals the salary of 40 to 80 Asian.
     
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    25,000 US dollars a month without benefits??? Do you have proof of that???
     
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    >>>That sounds as plausible as anything we've heard from the government. I still don't know how 9/11 could have happened without somebody opening the doors from the inside.
     
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    No its from 10,000 to 25,000 + crazy benefits (cars, best education and health insurance for the whole family, free housing, and more)

    your salary depends on your job and experience, I'm not lying, why do you think most of westerners live here in Saudi for 20-30 years and never come back home until they retire, I'll find a source for you.
     
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    Its very true, my uncle still resides there.
     
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    I tell Rapunzel the point. Muslims do 9/11 attack. Few Muslims like 9/11 attack. Many many Muslims not like 9/11 attack. Christians bomb Fed building. Few Christians like Fed building bombing. Many many Christians not like Fed building bombing. Same same, Muslim and Christian.

    Say bye bye Rapunzel. Maybe nappy time?
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    So why did America invade Iraq...?
     
  20. Liberal Saudi

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    Yes American ingenuity discovered and harvested oil in Saudi Arabia until Aramco became fully owned by the Saudi Government.

    No one can deny that. Infact, the historical relationship between the American and Saudi government dwarfs American relations with most other countries.

    Americans do not "steal" our oil. They pay cash for it.

    The issue here is not whether oil is paid for or is stolen. The main issue here is the fact that the Saudi goverment heavily depend on America to survive, and America heavily depend on the Saudi regime to ensure that oil keeps flowing, and that Islamic extremists and other so called enemies of America do not disrupt its flow.

    I think you all know what will happen if 10 million barrels of oil suddenly disappear from the market. Some of you might still remember the oil crisis in the early 70s, and I'm sure you agree with the American goverment that its worth supporting dictatorships, and even Islamic extremism if it means you won't have to stand in line for hours in a gas station to fill your car with a few gallons of gasolin and pay $1000+ for it.

    Yes oil gave us the money to come out of poverty and live a decent life, but it is also a curse upon us as it became obvious that we can never hope for more freedom and a stronger political voice as long as it contradicts with the interests of the world's biggest economies.

    I call it the curse of capitalism, and I hope someone will one day end this curse in the same place where it originated.
     
  21. MasTequila

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    Well it seems it is time for you to deal with your government. Grow a set and run for office, start something. You sound like one of our progressive democrats that can't get anything accomplished so the blame George W. Bush. You should be thanking American ingenuity for helping your country harvest the oil in the first place and creating an industry that keeps you country chugging along.

    Instead you whine about unfair conditions and hate America. I guess the freedom we have in America is greater than the freedom you have there so obviously it is our fault. Testicular fortitude is what made this country great, I guess your country has a large % of the population that lacks this.
     
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    Sure sounds that way...don't it.

    I'm still waiting for the proof that Americans working in Saudi get 25,000 US dollars a month, plus benefits.
     
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    For the oil?
     
  24. Nonbeliever

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    The only thing I could find are these:

    Aramco is the best 401(k) plan for Americans!
    http://www.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/best_401k_plans.html?campaign_id=yahoo


    and these are some questions of people who were offered a job,
    http://answers.yahoo.com/search/sea...offer+from+aramco&submit-go=Search+Y!+Answers

    Keep in mind that a holder of a westerner passport gets 3 times the salary of a Saudi or any other non-westerner (like Indians) so if an Indian is offered 15,000 Saudi riyal, then any westerner with same degree and experience would get 45,000 Saudi riyal. 3.75 Saudi = 1 dollar, If you wanna do the math.

    Many Saudis who were born in the U.S. and get a job offer from the company, register with their American passport, just to get the extra money!
     
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    Nah, I don't wanna spend my next 10 years in some kind of a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty prison for nothing. :mrgreen:
     

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