Is France being lost to Muslims? Is all of Western Europe following?

Aye, that describes a religion. Christianity is just the same.

I love the way you list goes from the United States, as the safest most peaceful place in the world, through a wide variety of disparate countries leading up to Turkey as the most perilous and vicious.

I'll have my car break down in a deprived neighbourhood of a Turkish city in preference to an American equivalent any day.

 

Wow, just wow. Do you have any idea about how many churches opened Turkey in recent years? Saint Paul Church, Sumela Monastry, Akdamar Church.. Do you think so many tourists from Europe come here to face some Jihad? I suggest you to visit here one day, you'll just have to eat your words... Can't wait.

 

My words? Please read my post again.

 

My apologies to you. Whoever it originally belongs to, then.

My invitation is still present though.

 

It's a little late in the year to be picking cherries, isn't it?

 

People who don't know much about islam must see this:

Islam: What the West Needs to Know

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8105709395775858867#

 

The riots in france, like all violent calls to action, seem more of an indication of french hypocrisy than any fundamental flaw in islamic ideology. Now, I know that it is very popular right now to be afraid of Islam or to say that it is an extremist religion. Historically, however, even religions with extremist factions usually turn out to be driven by socio-economic factors rather than, well, religious factors.

In fact, over time, you can see a pattern of any down-trodden class using guerrilla warfare over superior powers to battle them. It makes sense, considering that most muslims in france are a discriminated class, comparative to african americans during the old south.

When a person can not get a job, or feed their family, and when crime does not work because of harsh crack downs. All that anger usually bubbles up in situations like this. I would say that assimilation would definitely help. Terrorism, on the other hand--doesn't help so much.

I don't, however, think that the riots were an act of terrorism, but rather a spontaneous overflow of anger at the lack of jobs, lack of programs, and lack of help offered to muslims in france. Prejudice fed the flames, as well.

You can see similiar events like this not just in modern, middle eastern countries, but pretty much globally and in ancient times. An example that comes to mind is the hadrian slave revolt in ancient rome, which almost exactly mirrors this event.

So, no, I don't think this is anything new. Or particularly dangerous. But cracking down on muslims and enacting harsher punishments definitely will breed more violence. It could even result in you doing something you would regret.

 

I agree. However, one can easily say that if almost every revolutionary cultural and technological invention/innovation in modern times seems to becoming from one nation (The USA), then it is fair to say that that nation obviously creates a special atmosphere of individualism, freedom, healthy competiton, and confidence in one's abilities and potential. Just take another look at the list I provided. Without a doubt, the fact that these developments all came from one place is not mere coincedence. Why is it that in all of its years as a superpower, the USSR did not create one comparabel invention (as a matter of fact, they are on record multiple times simply trying the steal and reverse engineer American technology such as the B-29 and John Deere Tractors).

It is ostensible to anyone with a pair of eyes.

It's not nation of origin that is important in the USA, it is the nation of the USA itself.

 

This was in the news in my country today.
I translated it to english with google.

Vertaling van het Nederlands in het Engels

Violence flares in Kashmir

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The Indian government Monday announced extremely concerned about the resurgence of violence in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Monday was the most violent days in the disputed region since a new wave of protests against Indian government in June launched. The police has eighteen civilians killed Monday, the BBC reported. A policeman was slain. Hundreds of people were injured. New Delhi has called for calm.

Thousands of people shouted slogans against the Indian and the U.S. government. Crowds founded in a fire in several places and government buildings in the village Tangmarg was a Christian-run school in flames. According to one observer of the BBC's minds were more highly accumulated by the United States announced, but not executed, burning Quran.

Kashmir is a disputed territory since 1947, parts of which are held by India, Pakistan and China.

original link (dutch): http://www.metronieuws.nl/algemeen/geweld-laait-op-in-kasjmir/xlkjim!ph@S8Xzy6YmEeSwhi9bA/


A US citizen annonces to burn Quran and this is the reaction from Kasjmir?
What a crazy world we live in

 

I would be proud to be Dutch too... you seem to be the only Western European nation with politicians that understand current geopolitical realities and who will stand up to Muslim terrorism against the west.

Geert Wilders is the man! It's too bad that even your own self-hating liberal countrymen villify him as the rest of Europe hands the keys over to the Moors.

Additionally, one of your nationals helped us prevent the American Airlines "underwear bombing" here as well by tackling the assailant, the only instance I can think of in which Europeans actually did something about terrorism besides capitulate to it.


Only The Netherlands can save Western Europe.

 

You can easily say it, because you want to say it and so you just go right ahead and do so. You don't even feel slightly shamefaced for having claimed "inventions" which first appeared in other countries.

Every country has its own carefully selected list of major breakthoughs in science and technology, often overlapping with other countries' because it's never cut and dried, and always relying on a warped sense of priorities in which the steam engine or the diesel engine or the lightbulb is the only achievement which really matters, and everyone claims to have invented the computer. These lists are supposed to enthuse schoolboys about engineering (I, too, could win a Nobel!) they're not for grown-ups to advocate their country's political system over all rivals. That's just plain silly.

 

Don't forget Le Pen, or the late Haider's neo-Nazi party in Austria, the Lega Nord in Italy.

They haven't all had quite the same kicking that we gave our own BNP / EDL recently. Not yet.

 

More & more French cityzen consider this governement as some kind of israeli occupation force .
Since 2007 april ,(Sarkozy poll) all governement acts does'nt any more refer to peoples will or french interest .
Most of french people are with gipsy ! But medias flatly ignore this fact .
Medias are totalitarianism types ,except few local papers.

Since Rothschild baught the daily newspaper Liberation ( JAN 15 2006 ), there is no more free news network. News redactions are actual bunkers no one can only close.
When Georgian so called " soldiers " invaded South Ossetia ,killing civilians (and lot of local Jews in Tsinkhvalli) ,and Russia stoped them , all the story was told in french news network as a Russian invading operation , with very hard & choleric words against W Putin..; as if France had been defeated in this affair ! All of our media speaker were jewish & zionist addicts.

No news at all concerning french Afghan war in France .Few ones only sometime about US forces .

On France-Inter radio waves , we often find two guys speaking as professionnal historian, explaining to gentle listeners how , forinstance Putin's Russia was harrassing honnest & innocent buisness men involved in Youcos philantropic company.( saturday sept 4 )
We are all feeling disengadged , with no mean to act ,judiciary being as well under high pressur to counter street and civilian resistance.

 

I am very exited at asking you : why suddenly so much Jews are studying Moslim world ? Why are they suddenly each day ,complaning the poor Iranian girls raped in Quom suburbs , or the woman beaten by her husband in Teheran city ?
So much pity for poor peoples from so far away country comming from a people who is unable to print it's own filthy kills on its close neighbour of Gaza ... I am stuck amazed with such overseas pity feeling .

 

The West is at war with islam, even if the pansy ass liberals refuse to admit it because they are so (*)(*)(*)(*) politically correct. We must defeat islam. Islam is the biggest threat to peace on this planet, and it MUST be destroyed, or sent back to the deserts of the middle east. It is a back-wards, UGLY, VILE, DISGUSTING cult that is moving to conquer the world. And I for one WILL NOT SUBMIT...

 

If you strike a Muslim, you will be arrested.

But you can spout whatever faux heroics you want anonymously on the interweb. Go shout all that bollocks about the "UGLY, VILE, DISGUSTING cult" in the face of a Muslim bloke your own age and size if you want to impress anyone.

 

You did Jews already, remember? You put them on trains to Germany (or, at least, people very like you did). Everyone's "doing Muslims" now.

 

Oh, I have plans to scream it at top of my lungs, don't worry...

 

If you want to point out exactly which inventions I claimed that 1st showed up in other countries, I will be happy to entrtain your claims and research the same. I am confident in my list.

Thanks for mentioning the light bulb, I left that one out. Did I also note other modern cultural phenomenon like facebook and twitter? Also both from The States.


Many nations claims the computer, but the USA invented both the transistor and the microchip (procesor), clearly ushering in the modern computer age.

You can try to make this issue nuanced if it makes you feel better, but it is pretty simple actually. Even today, every computer in the world runs on American processors.

Any reasonable person would agree that America's list of contributions is easily the most impressive in modern times.

 

lol, and it doesn't actually matter that some joker in Buttsylvania invented a few rudimentary pieces of something, or a few clever thoughts about something. It's actually got to be practical, complete, useful, manufacturable, shippable, and so on.

America has done this for everything of value in the modern world.

Now if you want to talk slavery, torture, female mutilation, stoning, poverty, illiteracy, mass confusion & anarchy, failed governments, and getting your asses kicked again and again.....well, Europe, Africa, Middle East, South & Central America.....really hold the patent on these things. Asia nearly as bad, but at least they've proven talented at taking some of our best stuff and making hay for a while.

 

Nobody is asking you to 'submit'! Where do you get all this Muslim world domination threat crap from anyway? Fox?

 

Yeah, at the next brown person you see. Run and hide Yank, they're coming for your babies!

 

You really need an education. The steam engine (British), the motor car (German), gunpowder (China), Muslims (Algebra), mathematics (India). All pretty rudimentary, I'm sure you'll agree. I've got a ton of them mate, just ask.

So, tell me, who has taken what from whom, exactly?

 

And they did what with them ? haha.

The only one of the bunch is German engineering, so effectively used to nearly destroy civilization.

The rest ? Abortive little flights of whimsy, until the US did it better and actually figured out how to get it out to the world.

 

Not sure about this education thing, either. Aren't you the guy who was excoriated for your bizarre background as a snakehandler or something ?

I've been educated to work in professional pursuits that make this world function.