OK. This is the "be fair to Americans" thread.

Look who's in denial. Again.

 

As regular as the swallows returning to Capistrano in the Spring are those threads by Awryly bashing the United States. Both are amusing events, nothing more.

 

I did not know that Spain was capable of protecting itself. Good to know. What is the range of your ICBM's. Are they MIRVed? How many aircraft carriers does Spain deploy at a time?

Peace out.

 

Why do you people continue to respond to him. The mods turn a blind eye to him, so just pay him no heed. Eventually he'll shrivel up and die from the lack of attention he so desperately seeks.

 

First Awryly thank you for starting a potintially possitive thread about my country. (did we realy invent sprinkals awsome) Now things that USA have given the world:

safety razor
air conditioning
lie detector
gas motored airplane
Motion picture (Eddison but I think this one is debatable)
Light bulb (Same as above)
Radio
band aide
Frozen food
Liquid fueled rockits
T.V.
differential analyzer", or analog computer

THese are just from 1900 to 1930

The list before this time and after is too large to fit on one post and I dont have time. But as you can see Americans have always been very influencial in science. We have given the world alot in our very short history.

 

And as is typically liberal there's lot's in the way of assumptions but very little in the way of proof.

This is why the left lacks any credibility today.

For example take the post above which has much to say about what I think about anarchism and anarchists. Yet the liberal making the accusations cannot possibly know what I think as it relates to this topic. Since I have never before deigned to expound on the topic here before.

As usual the rather obvious FACTS prove the liberal to be a liar. Thanks for playing liberal, but your out of your league trying today debate here with nothing but false accusations based upon your own assumptions.


We require proof here. This is after all, not the daily
kos despite liberal attempts to make Political Forums another media matters leftist hangout.

 

No doubt about the technology but there were other countries that also produced/are producing great technology. That has always been true. Germany and Britain laid foundations Americans built on - and built on well. Now Asians countries are doing the same. (Even NZ produces new technology. An NZ company has invented a small appliance motor that uses only 1/3 of the energy of conventional motors and has marketed it worldwide.)

The most unique achievement for me is American pre-1980s music. It is hard to believe America has produced so many disparate forms of popular music that so grabbed the world and will endure down the generations. No other country has done that. Much of course has an African-American heritage.

Some would say America provided a template for democratic development. But it provided one that today - more than most democracies - demonstrates the failure described thus:

So, for me, it's the music.

 

If it were'nt for america, he would not know we exist. I'm sure with Monarchies and socialism technology would still be in the late 1800's.

 

If nothing else, America has given the world the 2 most famous clowns in history:

1. Friendly clown encouraging children: http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/Ronald-mcdonald.jpg

2. Friendly clown encouraging children: http://prolifickillers.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/pogotheclown1.jpg

 

Humour is not an American trait. Too many people of German origin to dampen the Irish influence.

But, to give them credit, they try - usually very badly.

Very occasionally a writer of wit rises above the dross and produces something that even Americans understand. Mark Twain, "Frasier" and "American Dad" come to mind.

 

Thomas Jefferson:


From Notes on the State of Virginia
"Laws"
The administration of justice and description of the laws?

To emancipate all slaves born after passing the act. The bill reported by the revisors does not itself contain this proposition; but an amendment containing it was prepared, to be offered to the legislature whenever the bill should be taken up, and further directing, that they should continue with their parents to a certain age, then be brought up, at the public expence, to tillage, arts or sciences, according to their geniusses, till the females should be eighteen, and the males twenty-one years of age, when they should be colonized to such place as the circumstances of the time should render most proper, sending them out with arms, implements of houshold and of the handicraft arts, feeds, pairs of the useful domestic animals, &c. to declare them a free and independant people, and extend to them our alliance and protection, till they shall have acquired strength; and to send vessels at the same time to other parts of the world for an equal number of white inhabitants; to induce whom to migrate hither, proper encouragements were to be proposed. It will probably be asked, Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expence of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race. -- To these objections, which are political, may be added others, which are physical and moral. The first difference which strikes us is that of colour. Whether the black of the negro resides in the reticular membrane between the skin and scarf-skin, or in the scarf-skin itself; whether it proceeds from the colour of the blood, the colour of the bile, or from that of some other secretion, the difference is fixed in nature, and is as real as if its seat and cause were better known to us. And is this difference of no importance? Is it not the foundation of a greater or less share of beauty in the two races? Are not the fine mixtures of red and white, the expressions of every passion by greater or less suffusions of colour in the one, preferable to that eternal monotony, which reigns in the countenances, that immoveable veil of black which covers all the emotions of the other race? Add to these, flowing hair, a more elegant symmetry of form, their own judgment in favour of the whites, declared by their preference of them, as uniformly as is the preference of the Oranootan for the black women over those of his own species. The circumstance of superior beauty, is thought worthy attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs, and other domestic animals; why not in that of man? Besides those of colour, figure, and hair, there are other physical distinctions proving a difference of race. They have less hair on the face and body. They secrete less by the kidnies, and more by the glands of the skin, which gives them a very strong and disagreeable odour. This greater degree of transpiration renders them more tolerant of heat, and less so of cold, than the whites. Perhaps too a difference of structure in the pulmonary apparatus, which a late ingenious experimentalist has discovered to be the principal regulator of animal heat, may have disabled them from extricating, in the act of inspiration, so much of that fluid from the outer air, or obliged them in expiration, to part with more of it. They seem to require less sleep. A black, after hard labour through the day, will be induced by the slightest amusements to sit up till midnight, or later, though knowing he must be out with the first dawn of the morning. They are at least as brave, and more adventuresome. But this may perhaps proceed from a want of forethought, which prevents their seeing a danger till it be present. When present, they do not go through it with more coolness or steadiness than the whites. They are more ardent after their female: but love seems with them to be more an eager desire, than a tender delicate mixture of sentiment and sensation. Their griefs are transient. Those numberless afflictions, which render it doubtful whether heaven has given life to us in mercy or in wrath, are less felt, and sooner forgotten with them. In general, their existence appears to participate more of sensation than reflection. To this must be ascribed their disposition to sleep when abstracted from their diversions, and unemployed in labour. An animal whose body is at rest, and who does not reflect, must be disposed to sleep of course. Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous. It would be unfair to follow them to Africa for this investigation. We will consider them here, on the same stage with the whites, and where the facts are not apocryphal on which a judgment is to be formed. It will be right to make great allowances for the difference of condition, of education, of conversation, of the sphere in which they move. Many millions of them have been brought to, and born in America. Most of them indeed have been confined to tillage, to their own homes, and their own society: yet many have been so situated, that they might have availed themselves of the conversation of their masters; many have been brought up to the handicraft arts, and from that circumstance have always been associated with the whites. Some have been liberally educated, and all have lived in countries where the arts and sciences are cultivated to a considerable degree, and have had before their eyes samples of the best works from abroad. The Indians, with no advantages of this kind, will often carve figures on their pipes not destitute of design and merit. They will crayon out an animal, a plant, or a country, so as to prove the existence of a germ in their minds which only wants cultivation. They astonish you with strokes of the most sublime oratory; such as prove their reason and sentiment strong, their imagination glowing and elevated. But never yet could I find that a black had uttered a thought above the level of plain narration; never see even an elementary trait of painting or sculpture. In music they are more generally gifted than the whites with accurate ears for tune and time, and they have been found capable of imagining a small catch. Whether they will be equal to the composition of a more extensive run of melody, or of complicated harmony, is yet to be proved. Misery is often the parent of the most affecting touches in poetry. -- Among the blacks is misery enough, God knows, but no poetry. Love is the peculiar oestrum of the poet. Their love is ardent, but it kindles the senses only, not the imagination. Religion indeed has produced a Phyllis Whately; but it could not produce a poet. The compositions published under her name are below the dignity of criticism. The heroes of the Dunciad are to her, as Hercules to the author of that poem. Ignatius Sancho has approached nearer to merit in composition; yet his letters do more honour to the heart than the head. They breathe the purest effusions of friendship and general philanthropy, and shew how great a degree of the latter may be compounded with strong religious zeal. He is often happy in the turn of his compliments, and his stile is easy and familiar, except when he affects a Shandean fabrication of words. But his imagination is wild and extravagant, escapes incessantly from every restraint of reason and taste, and, in the course of its vagaries, leaves a tract of thought as incoherent and eccentric, as is the course of a meteor through the sky. His subjects should often have led him to a process of sober reasoning: yet we find him always substituting sentiment for demonstration. Upon the whole, though we admit him to the first place among those of his own colour who have presented themselves to the public judgment, yet when we compare him with the writers of the race among whom he lived, and particularly with the epistolary class, in which he has taken his own stand, we are compelled to enroll him at the bottom of the column. This criticism supposes the letters published under his name to be genuine, and to have received amendment from no other hand; points which would not be of easy investigation. The improvement of the blacks in body and mind, in the first instance of their mixture with the whites, has been observed by every one, and proves that their inferiority is not the effect merely of their condition of life. ....

http://frank.mtsu.edu/~lnelson/Jefferson-Slavery.html


Here is proof, Awryly, that Americans ARE capable of humor AND wit. Certainly, no one would mistake that Jefferson was being serious here would they? He should be regarded as one of our foremost comical geniuses and an inspiration to all liberty and freedom loving comics worldwide, (especially the white ones).

 

I know this is taking fairness to extremes.

But here is what many Americans actually think about their glorious victory over the Central powers. Apparently unaided.

The world is still wondering about that.

 

You speak gaily of facts.

Yet adduce none.

Forgive me if I point out this is a self-defeating strategy.

 

Forget about ww2. Lets look at the real issue that America and Israel ironically bring up. The fear of nuclear Iran or nuclear weapons getting into the "wrong hands". Any hand is the wrong hand. If you got nukes expect a fight till the end.

I can see justification for an attack on any nation with nuclear weapons. The scary part is they actually say they will use them and spend lots of money to plan exactly how to use them.

The real threat for nuclear weapons is mostly in the USA and Israel. Two countries that need to be immediately disarmed.

And thats being fair. After all its their own policy for nuclear powers or immerging ones.

The more they war the more enemies they create. The closer they get to another september 11. A country that is at war for decades is never free and neither are its people. So whats the point in fighting for Iraqi freedom by destroying their country.

Furthermore since when do we not negotiate with the opposing force in war. Thats not only foolish but ruthless aswell.

American policy is so hypocrital and violent that its no wonder they got hit on september 11th. And the attack couldnt be anymore symbolic of a fight against the economics of the world(ie wealth distribution) and the acts of a unjustified and ruthless military.

This is not the end for America. What they need is a president that brings ALL american troops home and starts on an american dream that means something to everyone.

For example instead of spending the 900 billion they plan to next year in war they could house 11,000,000 american homeless people....imagine that.

 

The US has more serial killers than any other country, possibly more than the rest of the world combined.

We lead by exceptionalism.

But lately, some of our citizens have decided to distinguish themselves by randomly extinguishing some of their fellow citizens.

 

Be fair to Americans?

In all fairness there are justified reasons to want to go to war with America.

They went into Iraq claiming it was "dangerous" for them to have nuclear weapons. Is the arsenal in USA and Israel any less dangerous?

In all fairness I see the United State's nuclear arsinal and their plans to use these weapons(please dont say they dont plan on how they will use them and the proticol to do so) as more of a threat than any militia in Iraq or Afganistan.

If America gets attacked after a decade of war it wont surprise me and in all fairness Im not sure Id be on their side.

 

We gave the world McDonald's! If it wasn't for us, everyone would be skinny!

 

The U.S. never claimed Iraq had "nuclear weapons".

And given that the U.S. lost more than 100,000 soldiers during the Cold War yet never even came close to using nuclear weapons (despite the fact that for half the Cold War, the U.S. was basically invulnerable) then I think we can be safely assurred that the U.S. won't use them.

 

"they havent used the weapons yet" so we know they wont.

BULL(*)(*)(*)(*).

They are the threat.

Dont give me that bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that the us president didnt specifically claim that there were wmd in iraq as a motivation for people to invade.

I dont trust any country with a nuclear weapon. WHY? Because they PLAN to use them. And that is enough reason to disarm them.

The nuclear weapon is a psychological weapon and the most destructive and innaccurate that we have.

The Americans should be very ashamed for stockpiling them and everyone else should take action for immediate disarment.

Dont give me this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) they wont use them. They are already are as a physchological weapon. AND they attack people who try to make them.

dont be a hypocrit stand against america on this matter.

 

To be a nuclear threat..

1) you make sell or distribute nuclear weapons...the usa does this.

2) you use nuclear weapons. The united states dropped two atomic bombs and tests and lays out protocol on when and how they can use them.

If you dont like another country having nuclear power than get rid of your own before you say they cant have it.

If you dont like nukes then get rid of yours....

This is as easy as cake to see.

America is the biggest nuclear threat on the planet and they have no right crying for an attack on nation that could have a few.

Israel is the biggest nuclear threat in the middle east. AND they are threatening an attack on a country that wants NUCLEAR power and perhaps argueably a nuclear weapon.

This is getting rediculous actually and its sick how hypocritical some of you are.....

I really dont have much time to think about this now a days because it drives me batty at just how deceptive the allied forces really are.

 

How many civilians did the japs lose when they did use their nuclear weapons?

They used them once they will use them again. There is no justified reason to have them.

Americans are digging a big hole for themselves and september 11 was just a wake up call for them. Dont be surprised if they get an even bigger wake up call yet again.

The problem with most people in the west is that they are biased fearful and arrogant in their support of their own military.

We push "support the troops" and this of course means their mission too no matter how impossible and useless it is.

They spent 900 billion in Iraq in a single year (last year) a little less but right up there.

This money could house haitis homeless ten times over. Dont tell me these people fight for freedom.

If you want to fight for freedom? Bring water and food to the people that dont have it.

 

You speak as if it's deserved..

No, the problem with the west is its unsustainable lifestyle; every nation supports the military. America may be one of the few who doesn't as much. Vietnam and the current war show that; so unpopular.

That's not freedom. It's food and water. I don't want to pay troops to pass out goodies; I want them to defend my nation and its people.

 

Actually freedom starts with food and water. You cant have freedom if you die of hunger and starvation.

You arent protecting your country by blowing up Iraq or Afganistan you are actually threatening it.

Deserved attack? Justified.

Is it okay to attack America? Most definately they havent stopped being at war for a (*)(*)(*)(*) long time.

Its actually expected that they will be attacked.

I hope they hit all military targets REALLY good.

 

This is part of the problem I was talking about. Your country claims to fight for freedom yet they don't seem to understand the basics of it.

They set foot in a country with serious human rights issues hoping to make a difference. Guess what WE HAD ISSUES BIG ONE NOT 40 years ago. Nobody invaded us to solve this (*)(*)(*)(*) our people solved it.

The afgani and iraqi issues should have been solved by their own people and they will be solved by their own people. Americas hand in that was actually a kick in the face for freedom because they killed hundred of thousands of civilians with their innaccurate weaponry and attacks.

Freedom starts with basic needs, then education, then the people fight for their rights to be what they want.

Basic needs and education needs to be the american war. But the people want blood and they will taste their own for it.

 

LOL! C'mon mate - give it a rest!

This will bring all the nutters out of the woodwork, and I am tired of fighting the fantasies of WW2 yet again.