Nebraska has joined several other states in introducing a "birther" bill

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  1. SFJEFF

    SFJEFF New Member

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    Well I am just surprised Nebraska hasn't done the logical thing- requiring DNA testing of all candidates and their parents. After all, what is the point of getting the Dad's original BC if he might not even be the real dad?

    Maybe one of the states will incorporate language to this effect:

    "None of this is required unless there are internet rumors and speculation by whackjobs- there must be at least 3 different poster names in order to trigger this legislation- unless the candidate is Republican, in which case it is not required"
     
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    How bout we just impeach Obama now and avoid this whole debacle?

    Yesh?
     
  3. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Under what pretense?
     
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    Ya got me. Other than a slight dereliction of duty leaving it in the hands of a FPOTUS, and gross, authoritarian overreach of his respective governmental branch, publicly dissing and circumventing members of the Judicial branch, and etc......I guess I just wanna see it happen, I am tired of the man.....
     
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    How so? Obama was born in HI at a hospital according to his background story. Therefore, he should be able to comply.
     
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    Crafting a law in accordance with the Constitution ...... Oh the inhumanity !!
     
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    Say what? What made one a NBC in 1961?
     
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    the same thing that makes one a nbc today, or made one a nbc 100 years ago.
     
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    Or blanket stupidity.

    When an American adult can't read the Consitution, the 14th amendment or Title 8 of the US Code, stupidity trumps racism.
     
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    So, why do you wonder why the parents would be involved in a NBC?
     
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    are you finally admitting no matter what his long form says hes not eligible to be president?
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    No, why the fan dance? What are you getting at Ginger?
     
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    the same qusetion you answered with a question earlier.

    what do his parents BCs haev to do with his eligibility.

    HINT: another question is not an answer.
     
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    Why have the same debate over and over? The location of the birth, the nationality of the parents, the age of the mother, and the time that she may have been living abroad had an impact in 1961 on whether Obama is a NBC. You've never heard this?

    Regardless, I hope the states do enact a requirement for a candidate for President to show his a certified copy of his original long-form bc.
     
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    no I have not...please show me the relevant portion of the constitution that says you can be born in the US but NOT a NBC.

    then PLEASE tell me what nationality of the parents matteres.
     
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    There is no part like that. However, we haven't been shown the best evidence that Obama was born in the US. In fact, Obama is keeping it sealed. So, I can't say where he was born.

    It mattered in 1961.



    Birth abroad to one United States citizen


    For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[7]:

    1. The person's parents were married at the time of birth
    2. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
    3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
    4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52hgDc8jkvc&feature=related"]YouTube - Hitler finds out that President Obama is not a US Citizen[/ame]

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    If only Nebraska had made the slightest effort to make their law Constitutional.

    If only Nebraska had cared more about the Constitution than a political stunt aimed at one particular politician that they disagree with.

    Unlike the birther whacko's who are only looking for any reason to disenfranchise the voters who elected President Obama, I actually support a Constitutionally valid law that would require Presidential candidates prove their eligiblity.

    I think it is bad policy though to craft a law designed entirely to disqualify a sitting President, regardless of his eligiblity.
     
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    So, you would leave a usurper in office? By definition, an ineligible person is disqualified. Fraud would not make one qualified.
     
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    How absurd ! The law is the same for everybody. If anyone screwed up, its Obama and the Democrat Party for not putting this to rest long ago. I don't know if the assclown is birth qualified or not. But I have a strong hunch he gamed the system all along in college, being whatever was convenient for admissions.

    And back to the bottom line. If he's got nothing to hide, its a non-issue. Get used to it. Its an adult thing.
     
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    Lets review the actual article shall we....

    The Nebraska Vital Records website contains no option to request a long form birth certificate. Christensen said he had not talked to Nebraska Vital Records staff, but modeled the bill's language after what has been used in other states.

    A candidate from Nebraska is likely going to be unable to run. I don't have a copy of my original birth certificate, so I guess I can't run either. A copy of my fathers original birth certificate? Oh that might be curious to see if there is a copy of his BC from 80 years ago. I wonder if John McCain could have provided a copy of his father's original birth certificate?

    There is no legal requirement for any state to provide copies of original birth certificates. Do you even know whether all states even keep copies of the originals? I think Hawaii is completely digitalized for the last 20 years.

    These laws are so stupid- not because asking for proof of eligiblity but because they are really, really stupidly written.

    Read the rest of the original article-
    The 14-page bill, sponsored by District 44 State Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial, would prohibit placing presidential and vice presidential candidates on the state's ballot unless they provide a certified, long-form version of their birth certificate to Nebraska's secretary of state.

    Christensen's bill would also require candidates to provide their parents' certified long-form birth certificates. If a person's birth father is unknown, Christensen said a candidate would have to file an affidavit with the state, stating that they have no reason to believe their father is not a U.S. citizen.

    The Nebraska Vital Records website contains no option to request a long form birth certificate. Christensen said he had not talked to Nebraska Vital Records staff, but modeled the bill's language after what has been used in other states.

    Similar legislation has been proposed in other states, including Arizona, Texas and Connecticut.

    Christensen said he was motivated to sponsor the bill after receiving two or three e-mails from constituents who are concerned about the persistent rumors that President Barack Obama is not a citizen. During the 2008 presidential election, some of Obama's political opponents contended that he was born outside of the United States and is ineligible to be president.

    "Whenever you have a large amount of citizens who have doubts, it hurts our government. It hurts the integrity of the government," Christensen said.

    While Christensen said he "absolutely" believes Obama is a United States citizen, he has doubts about the citizenship of Obama's parents at the time of the president's birth.
    "This (bill) would remove that doubt," he said. "I think that it hurts Americans when we think we can't trust our leaders."

    John Gruhl, a University of Nebraska-Lincoln political science professor who specializes in constitutional law, called Christensen's bill "puzzling."

    "Parents don't have to be citizens for their children to be citizens," Gruhl said. "So what's the point of this provision? To embarrass a candidate whose parents aren't citizens? To discourage a candidate from running in the first place, so his parents aren't exposed?"
     
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    What muddled thinking!

    Obama fails to pass the NE citizenship test and what exactly do you think will happen to his support in 49, er, 56 other states?
     
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    Crafting a law designed specifically to try to eliminate a specific constitutionally unqualified candidate from the ballot is surely a sign of a great Democracy.

    See how easy it was to get it right.
     
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