Poll: Does Ron Paul have your Vote?

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by Mr. Harris, May 9, 2011.

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Does Ron Paul have your vote?

  1. yes

    66.7%
  2. no

    33.3%
  1. Mr. Harris

    Mr. Harris New Member

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    If you want a president that actually cares, vote Ron Paul. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.

    Ron Paul 2012
    Restore America Now
     
  2. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No way.

    He's a hypocrite. He favors term limits yet he's been in Congress 22+ years. He claims to despise earmarks yet he tacks them onto bills that he knows will pass then votes against the bill.

    He's a racist. His newsletter was rife with racial remarks.

    He's unrealistic. He can't explain how he plans to effectively and efficiently implement his pie-in-the-sky ideas.

    He has no support in Congress. Only one member of Congress endorsed him in the 2008 election.

    He's older than dirt. If elected he'll take office when he's 78 years old.

    No thanks. I intend to cast a rational and informed vote in 2012 and Ron Paul certainly won't get it.
     
  3. Mr. Harris

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    That's too bad. Another thing that's too bad is that you can't prove that he's racist, one reason would be that he is not.

    Another thing is that he isn't unrealistic, maybe if you actually listened you could see that.

    Overall, you really don't have proof of your argument. I'm glad that you have the right to choose who you want to vote for, I really am. But people like Ron Paul are few. We keep electing the same type of people over and over. It's ruining this country and something needs done fast. That, is why Ron Paul gets my vote.

    Thanks for answering
     
  4. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There are no term limits so is this a complaint about Ron Paul following the current laws?

    Did we miss the part about him voting against these same spending measures?

    I happen to receive Ron Paul's newsletters and I've never seen racial remarks in them.

    Actually he has explained how he would implement his proposals. Ignorance of those proposals does not imply that they don't exist.

    Based upon votes in accordance with the US Constitution he's the only member of Congress that even comes close to 100%. Most members of Congress rank a less than 30% rating of voting based upon the Constitution. Of course he doesn't have the support of those that perpetually seek to circumvent the US Constitution for their own political agendas.

    Does this statement reflect age discrimination? Are older individuals somehow to be considered incompetent or "lessor" persons? Have we forgotten that age can also represent wisdom and knowledge?

    While I cannot determine the voting habits of others if anyone voted for either John McCain or Barack Obama they did not cast a rational or informed vote in 2008. Voting for the "lessor or two evils" reflects neither a rational or informed vote.

    At this point I don't know if I would vote for Ron Paul as there could be a better candidate offered by the Liberatarian Party but he would certianly recieve serious consideration. Unlike the "Tea Party" that misrepresented themselves and being Contitutionalists and Libertarians Ron Paul actually does believe in the US Constitution and actually would address a balanced budget and returning the United States to a Constitutional government.
     
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    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    Well then... now I can rest assured.

    On a serious note, I don't think he's electable. That has nothing to do with his views... I'm just acknowledging the American cosmetic approach to choosing a leader.
     
  6. Mr. Harris

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    I thank you for your answer, let's see if Ronnie has one last shot at the White House. :-D
     
  7. Mr. Harris

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    Ha, a little comedy never hurts. But my view on it is that he is electable. I believe that because his cause is growing, and maybe just maybe, this time around it will be different.
     
  8. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man

    I have listened to Paul. He doesn't make sense. For instance, he advocates that we withdraw all US forces to the CONUS. Yet he fails to explain how we would honor our treaty commitments.

    I believe that I have shown more than sufficient proof to support my argument.
     
  9. Kranes56

    Kranes56 Banned

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    to be honest, I don't know what he stands for, and where's the poll so I can vote?
     
  10. Mr. Harris

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    Where is your proof? I read the article, it says that Ron Paul is racist, yet where is the proof? Where are these articles with the actual statements?
     
  11. Mr. Harris

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    The poll is more just answering with words.

    Check this out though.

    http://ronpaul2012.com/
     
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    I checked out his website. As a Historian, I would love to go talk to him about Nixon and McCarthy and I don't know if he's a statist, but I would also like to go toalk to him about the Articales of Confederation. As somebody who's Pro Choice, his ideas go against mine.

    Chances for me voting, very slim.
     
  13. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de_CSuJCsfY"]YouTube - Ron Paul's Racist Quotes[/ame]

    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/...rs_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS
     
  14. Mr. Harris

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    Ron Paul may be pro-life, but he wants to leave decisions like that up to the states so that they can vote on them.
     
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    He's lost my vote. It's just going to be an other source of conflict, and by not using his powers as a president, he's just making it harder for everybody.
     
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    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read the articles. They contain direct quotes from Paul's newsletters.
     
  18. Mr. Harris

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    It's not the President's duty to make decisions like that. Our founding fathers intended on having the states decide these matters, that's why Ron Paul wants to leave it to the states. The president's duty is to enforce the law, not to make law.
     
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    But I see no evidence that the newsletters actually exist and that these statements weren't just made up.
     
  20. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They're reliable sources.
     
  21. Mr. Harris

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    Really? Then where is the actual newsletter containing these statements by Ron Paul. I'm curious, if this is true, then where is the actual newsletter?
     
  22. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They're archived.

    Regardless, I'm convinced that Paul is either himself a racist or tolerated racism in his newsletter.
     
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    Yes, they could very well be archived. Yet if they aren't for display, then how do we know it's even true? And unless you know that truth, you can't really hold it over him.
     
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    Great, do we have to hear about this guy every election, even when we all know there is no way this man will ever be president.
     
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    The same tired smears as last time. There's absolutely no validity to the racism charge, but at least the early attacks let me know that his opponents are taking him seriously.

    Yeah, he's got my vote. Not because I harbor any illusions about his ability to win the beauty contest that is the Presidential election, but simply because he's who I want in the White House.
     

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