"China Does Not Have the Ability to Challenge the U.S."

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2...l-china-does-not-have-capability-challenge-us

This was a very interesting article because it's about a 50/50 split between the truth and disinformation. The Chinese are not yet capable of challenging the U.S. militarily. However, their acquisition of aircraft carriers, stealth fighters, and sophisticated SAMs is indicative of their intentions. China's rise will not be peaceful if they want to control Taiwan. Additionally, their modernization will force Russia, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea, Japan, Australia, and the United States to improve their arsenals. I think the world could be on the cusp of a friendlier Cold War. Thoughts?

 

Kissinger in his latest book and the articles related to it recently this week says much the same thing.

America can't pull what it did to Iran and set up a bunch of buffer States to isolate China, and China can't engage in a naked conflict of aggression because the neighboring States in the region fear an Asia where China is the only player and the USA is marginalized to no further than Guam.

Both States have to play the next 25 years very carefully because one wrong misstep could lead to conflict.

 

I agree. What's interesting about a potential Cold War in Asia is that the U.S. and China aren't the only players in the region. Russia and India are two behemoths that factor into the equation, and I predict. any rise by China will be quickly met by India.

 

I think that with determination the Chinese could take us down. It's never just the numbers, but what you do with those things you do have. they probably can't take us on tank for tank, but they could take us out using nukes and their billions of citizens as cannon fodder. Besides which, if they wanted to get their way, they could simply cash in all of their T-bonds and crash our economy. At that point, we couldn't even pay our army.

Pride goeth before the fall.

 

The irony is, China's using US tactics for Cold War. If the US keeps demonizing China in a cold war mentality, the US will be the one who's economy finally catches up to them. China has and will have Taiwan eventually.

China can afford huge investments in its military, the US is looking to slash spending.

 

why dont leaders o f the countrys talk about peace and not prepare for war? do the countrys always have to prove what one is more powverful.

 

Depends on the front. If its close to China, say the Korean peninsula for example China would likely do better than they did the first time around.


The further away from China the less their chances become.

 

Actually, they are not much of a threat there either.

If there is one thing that China is very low in when compared to the old USSR, that is an effective number of ICBMs. Their newest ICBM is the DF-31, and it is believed they have from 15-21 of them. That's it. A single US Ohio class submarine (of which we have 14) contains more missiles then that.

And their only other class of ICBM is the venerable DF-5, of which they have 20. So in 1/7 of our Ballistic Submarine fleet, we outnumber all of the Chinese ICBMs. Not much of a threat there.

And they also can't use their "billions as cannon fodder". How are they going to bring them anywhere? China lacks the logistics capability to operate any kind of large military operation outside of their own borders (or in invading a country that shares a border). They lack the Air Force or Navy to send "billions of soldiers" anywhere else. They can't even invade Taiwan because they lack the ability to transport enough troops to do it.

And the hype of economic warfare is a crock. If they crashed the economy of the US, they would cripple themselves even harder then they would the US. The US economy has crashed before, and it will happen again. The most that would be lost would be the access of cheap Iphones and COSCO crap furniture, which the rest of the would would quickly take over production of. And one thing most people do not realize is that in the event of an export-inport dependence, it is the inporting nation that holds all the cards, not the exporting nation.

The US imports currently around $364 billion from China. That is almost 1/3 of their total world-wide exports. After the US is Japan at $297 billion, South Korea at $207 billion, and Taiwan at $145 billion. And in the event of a trade war (or shooting war) with the US, expect those nations to stop their trade also. The next country in imports from China is Germany, with $142 billion.

If there was an embargo, China would quickly collapse. The US would see an inflationary spike as imports from other nations increase in price. Trade will depart from China, and go back to where it was 30 years ago, from countries like Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, and Thailand. But the Chinese economy would collapse. Because without the hundreds of billions of dollars in exports, entire factory towns would be laid off. Hundreds of millions of workers would be laid off, and without the US dollar fueling their economy, depression and famine would soon be rampant.

Think of it like the months and years prior to WWII. The US was in a trade relationship with Japan, and the US exported raw materials like oil and steel, and Japan exported finished goods like optics, cloth, machine tools, and other non-durable goods. When the embargo started, the US was hardly affected. But Japan was crippled, since huge segments of their economy were dependent on selling their goods to the US. A market which no longer existed.

In a trade war between the US and China, expect the same result. China is not a huge exporter of durable goods. They do not export to the US things like cars, tractors, airplanes, or even major appliances like refridgerators or washing machines. They mostly export inexpensive, fairly disposable goods. Cell phones, digital cameras, and computer screens. Things that are not expected to last more then 5 years or so anyways. And before 5 years expired, new countries would ramp up and take their place as our supplier.

 

The U.S. wouldn't have to resort to the military to control China, all we would have to do is get them addicted to Opium. It worked before and it can work again by golly!

 

How could China do better? China has no intention to invade South Korea and China so successfully defended North Korea last time.

 

Fanciful thinking... The Chinese are decades away from being a military threat to the the U.S . The strategic difficulties, logistical problems and the lack of mobility of its forces would be the main cause of its defeat. In an economic confrantation of the worst kind, the U.S' economy would probably out last that of the Chinese. Reasons being the rigidity of the of the nations leadership, and the fact that it would never withstand a U.S sponsered embargo and trade war.

 

China's leadership is multiples more flexible than the US'. The American political system fights over 10 or so points out of a 100; China's width spans 30 or 40 points— some argue 40 to 60.

The US citizens would be outraged and cause government instability; Chinese citizens wouldn't. China's military strategy is 'impenetrable defense', not offense.

 

It would be stupid to start a nuclear war no matter what the situation is.

 

Agreed. Einstein had it right in saying " I do not know how the 3rd world war will be fought .. but the 4th will be fought with sticks and stones"

The main purpose of war is to gain economic superiority in most cases.

China is winning that war hands down.

 

How do we know about china's citizen. They do what they're told be ause they live in autocratic society. Chinas govt is scared of war with the united states

 

I can't decipher this other than the last part; no country wants war— save for perhaps the USA.

 

How do we know about china's citizen. They do what they're told be ause they live in autocratic society. Chinas govt is scared of war with the united states

 

Because we see what they think and how they feel via government, polls, surveys, organized demonstrations, petitions, and so forth; as in any other nation.

Every nation is afraid of war.

 

I'm typing on a phone. I didn't say china wants to avoid war with the us. I said they are scared. There is a difference. And you don't know how the Chinese feel because they're not allowed to freely state so. Mao ruined china.

 

Chinese are allowed to freely state it; anyone can. I think you're living on hype from the American fear machine.

They're not scared. War would be only on China's terms, and China's defense system is strong enough to repulse conventional warfare.

 

Yes the govt is responsive to the will of the people. I forgot it's a peoples repulic. Lol

 

You speak of it as if it were Israel or North Korea; where citizens are banned from even thinking of the opposition's ideals.

 

Read your previous post. And the Chinese are not free. That's why they jail political dissidents and ban websites. And china couldn't defend against American military. You're living in fantasy land

 

i agree it is stupid, but i t is economic war to worry about when China currency become more powverful.

 

Yes, china is freer than Israel. Is this opposite day?