Conservative Blacks and Liberal Blacks

I find the discussions amazing when folks speak of Conservative Blacks and Liberal Blacks and what really seperates the two.

One of the assumptions you hear that unless a black person is a conservative or a republican that we don't use our brain.

There is also this assumption that all black folks who are conservative or republican are considered a sell-out among other black folks. This is not true, take a look a Colin Powell for instance he is pretty much respected among all black folks.

The Republican Party of 2011 is NOT the party of 1954 which is NOT the party of 1864.

The Democrat Party of 2011 in NOT the party of 1954 which is also NOT the party of 1864.

There is a tendency among Republicans to hold fast to the legacy of the Civil Rights Movement (the Republicans started as a pro-abolition party, and fought the democrats to get the civil rights bills passed). But the political/economic/cultural context in which the parties exist in significantly shifted.

Look at some of the Conservative blacks ie. Thomas Sowell, Ken Hamblin, Lee Elders, Alan Keyes, Herman Cain, etc. and then look at there counter-parts ie. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Tavis Smiley, Michael Dyson, etc. Now many of these men grew up in the same era, but their way of thinking is totally different in many aspects.

If you talk to many black people our way of thinking is probably more conservative, but we don't fall in line with those who considered themselves conservative or the party which claims to be conservative, why is that?

 

I think conservative blacks are a true minority. They are fighting against, not only the stereotypes of whites, but of blacks, too. They are largely considered sell-outs by their own community. Tavis Smiley seems to have moderated his views since joining PBS. Not sure how genuine it is, but it seems so.

I would say that blacks vote Democrat first, mostly due to LBJ and the fact that almost all black politicians are Democrats. Did you ever hear the LBJ quote after getting the Civil Rights Act passed?

Given the chance, almost all blacks vote color first. It doesn't matter what the candidate's views are, being black is good enough for most. Just look at the % of blacks that voted for Obama and will likely do so again in spite of the mess he's made of the country and the fact that blacks are hurting worse due to his policies. Also consider that Ray Nagin was re-elected as Mayor of New Orleans even after he bungled hurricane preparations that led to the deaths of many people, mostly black.

I don't have an answer to your question; just some observations of my own. I would say that if blacks are conservative, they don't show it in their voting history. It's probably due to playing into stereotypes that the Republican party is racist and the Democrats are looking out for them. News flash....racism is alive and well in both parties and people should vote their own personal conscience and make an informed vote, not going what someone is telling them to do or by a 30 second sound bite. That applies to everyone, no matter the color.

 

I disagree, being a Conservative black is not what makes them be labeled as a sell-out.

How so, his views seem the same to me.

Yes, have you ever heard Abraham Lincolns quotes after the Emancipation Proclamation.

That could be because they think less of the opposition running against that candidate.

What % of whites voted for Pres. Obama?

How many white men have black folks voted for in the past?

What % of black folks vote Democratic and why.

Yep and if Pres. Bush could have been re-elected do you think he would have been re-elected after he also bungled hurricane Katrina and what % of black folks would have voted for him?

Could that be because those who consider themselves conservative have always been anti-black also.

Most racist are Republican and Democrats are not looking out for them.

Agree with that statement 100%.

 

I don't really believe that. I think Blacks tend towards a liberal outlook. I don't think a black conservative would have 99% of the black vote. Perhaps more so then a white---but I doubt a whole bunch.

Colin Powell is black first. And he veers liberal on core principals in my opinion.

I don't think they have shifted in principals as much as they have shifted in strategy. Democrats feed off the vulnerable. Republicans feed off of the competent. The more competent and powerful the population....republicans gain strength. The vulnerable and dependent the population....the democrats gain strength.

This hasn't changed really. Southern Democrats wanted to keep blacks down after the war, in the 1960's and even now. Because it means power.

Right.

Blacks tend to be liberal fiscally but conservative socially. But that isn't a true conservative. Believing in redistribution....is not conservative.

 

You have a right to your opinion.

He wouldn't have 50% of the white vote either.

So what does that tell you?

Yep as George Bush was white first.

Actually he veers anti-racism on core principals. We have already talked about opinions.

LOL, so I guess that means that Republicans are the intellectuals. Thats a joke.

Based on what?

Ok, but Southern Democrats today are Republicans and have always been Conservative.

Let me ask you a question, how many black folks do you actually know?

 

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How many other black folks have you seen call them sell-outs?

So it is more your perception that has changed moreso than he that has actually changed.

What is your problem with Lincoln that he freed the slaves.

Really, as a black voter I don't really see it that way.

Yes you are correct, but since black folks have been voting what % of the black vote does the Democratic candidate receive?

Really, how many black candidates have we actually had?

What is it exactly we are wanting to hear?

So if Mayor Nagin would have forced them to leave as a conservative would you have agreed with that, because that goes against everything you as a conservative believe.

Well black folks didn't really have too much of a sayso before Lincoln.

Yep, Republicans are definitely the party of the people.

They have never honored the Constitution, if they had black folks would have been freed from slavery long before 1865.

Uh actually that is not true, the Justice System is as racist as ever.

I guess so.

 

what's a black sell -out?

 

Why?

No. Totally wrong. Colin Powell is black first. He makes decisions based on race not principals.

George Bush made decisions based on principals--not race.

Anti-racism? Like what?

No...not at all. Conservative Republican simply have more power, if a larger proportion of the population becomes affluent. They don't need large government entitlements to be voted into office. For instance---if the majority of blacks were succeeding---then they would tend to vote republican. If you are succeeding on your own...then you don't want government interferance putting obstacles in your way.

Democrats base their power on government spending, entitlements and "taking care of" the population. The more a population wants to transfer responsibility to government for their welfare---the more power Democrats have.

IF blacks were succeeding---Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson would lack power, money and prestige. Just like Democrats---they depend on a lower class for their own income and power..

Quite a few. I've had a very diverse life...as my children.

But the reason why I say that blacks tend to be fiscally liberal and socially conservative is because research surveys has shown that to be the case. Why do you think Obama ignores gays when he can? He knows it too.

 

A black man who will bow down to whites to be accepted, thinks he is better than the average black person, sometimes thinks he is not black and will attack black to be accepted by whites. Did that pretty much rap it up for you.

 

so then there could be white sell outs too?

 

How many Conservative black presidents have we had?

Based on what. Colin Powell has spent most of his life in the military how did he base his decisions on race first. Please explain.

LOL. Your right, white principals.

Discrimination in the work place, discrimination in the military, shall I go on.

Meaning that the richer you are the more you will vote Republican. I agree we witnessed that during Reaganomics when the richer got richer and the poorer got poorer.

Hmmm, you lost me on that one, what Gov't entitlements do Democrats need to be voted into office.

Really, do you think the majority of successful black folks vote Republican or Democrat?

So in other words the Democrats are the party of the poor and the Republicans are the party of the rich.

Hmmmm, thats interesting I consider myself succeeding and Rev. Jackson and Sharpton don't receive any power from or over me.

So the black folks you know are poor and waiting for a handout. The black kids your kids know are waiting to come over to your house for a handout.

 

I don't know could there be.

 

you seem to have a selective knowledge base

 

Actually you are the one that claims to have the knowledge.

 

Well, according to your standards that you hold for blacks, wouldn't a white guy who met the same qualifications as a sale-out, be a sale-out in your book?

Unless, you have some double standers for sale-outs when it comes to race.

 

I didn't know I held a standard for black folks.

I don't know you tell me what the standards for a white guy would be, would he be the same as those you call a "wigger".

 

Let's use his quote, but exchange white for black and vice versa where appropriate. the changes are in BOLD


"A white man who will bow down to blacks to be accepted, thinks he is better than the average white person, sometimes thinks he is not white and will attack white to be accepted by blacks. Did that pretty much rap it up for you."

gee.

that was fun...

instead of uncle tom how about uncle Morris ?

 

Now give us a white man that fits that description.

 

uncle Morris

There are a few posters on PF too. I might be breaking rules to name them .

Gary Howard is one

 

Who is Gary Howard, your first boyfriend.

 

hahahaha that's a good one.

 

Conservative Blacks.....Liberal Blacks

Is that like

One went to School......One went to Prison ​

 

You were asked what you thought a black sale-out was, and you gave a list of of qualifications that would make a black a sale out. Isn't that having standards for people to meet that would make a black a sale out?

Maybe, "wigger" means a white kid who acts black, so I guess that would make him a sale out.

But, you were asked what you feel about it. So, why are you avoiding the question?

 

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