Marine's set up recruitment desk at LGBT center

Put the square peg in the square hole. Make all the 'man haters' Drill Instructors!

 

So it's not a place for queers who are sick, got it.

It's more like a queer club for circle-jerks and/or orgies? Wasn't there a place in NYC way back called the HELLFIRE CLUB? That's what it must be.

Also gang, can you tell me where the NHMW(Normal Hetero Men and Women's) clubs are? I'd like to join one. Maybe the Marines will be there.

 

The Marines are looking for a few good men.

In the future they will find even fewer.

 

please please enough!

my ribs are hurting

 

when your going out to war a person being gay would be the last thing on my mind.

 

this bigot stuff, is the kind bigoted things white people say around gays, blacks and mexican at the dinner table

 

So allowing gay recruits means that the United States as a whole will have less viable candidates for the Marine Corps? I'm really not sure how you came to that conclusion.

 

Don't you think it's vitally important to first prove this policy WON'T degrade the recruit pool BEFORE it's implemented?

I'm confident that honest research wasn't pursued. There really isn't any honest research involving any gay issue in the past 25 years. It just isn't done.

 

I'm confident that this will make pretty much *zero* difference to the willingness of people to sign up.

"I wanted to be a Marine, but now they let gay people in, so I won't join" just doesn't seem to have much logical heft to it. If such a person exists, that person wasn't serious about being a Marine.

As has been noted ad nauseum, there have always been plenty of gay people in the military. The only difference is that now gays don't have to lie about who they are in order to serve their country -- eliminating, among other things, a potentially serious security hole.

 

Exactly...

Any person with that mindset was just looking for an excuse to not join...

 

So you agree that honest research WASN'T pursued and America is gambling here.

 

Not gambling...

Just keeping folks from being kicked out for something that has nothing to do with their ability to perform their job in the military...

 

What sort of "honest" research could be pursued to prove the negative you're seeking? Asking a bunch of 18-year-olds whether they would be more or less likely to join the military if gays were allowed to serve openly? I'm sure the methodology and error bars on that would be interesting.

Should we have pursued such "honest" research before allowing blacks to serve? Women?

Personally, I think when we're talking about arbitrary discrimination, the burden of proof should be on the people claiming harm, not the other way around.

You think gays in the military will harm security? Prove it.

Me, I'll point to all the other militaries around the world that have successfully integrated gays without incident.

 

So you agree. No honest research.

Dodge again if you wish.

 

That's not a dodge...

You can't prove or disprove something like that...

 

Moderators please note: Mr. Bickle is repeatedly using the word "queer" as a slur against homosexuals.

Beginning sometime in the 1990s, the word "queer" has been cluelessly appropriated for self-identification by a certain particularly ignorant subset of the LGBT population, on the grounds that by "appropriating the slurs of their oppressors" they will somehow render "queer," "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)", and the other words that were fighting words when and where I was growing up less harmful or meaningfully vicious.

Well, it's still a fighting word for me and my generation. Any gay person who CALLS HIMSELF a "queer" is hopelessly conflicted and desperately in need of education in public relations. Such people are just empowering the worst and most intransigent and unreconstructed homophobes.

Like you, Mr. Bickel. a bigoted bleeper-bleeping expletive deleted.

This forum's obscenity filter may not let the word which is spelled like an embankment that holds back water except with an extra "n" on the end get through, but it lets hatespeech like yours through just fine. Moderators and administrators please take note of the limitations and inconsistencies of your electronic censoring system.

I deplore the entire internet's encouragement of hatred and bigotry, enhanced by hsters' ability to hide behind anonymous "usernames". I always post my real name to anything I write, unless sometimes my stage name, Watermelon Slim, which I use in my capacity of public figure.

It's my training. Every prof I ever had worth his or her salt decries such information irresposibility.

William P. Homans
Clarksdale, Mississippi

 

You see? The very deepest of anti-homosexual slurs, which also means "strange" or "unusual" gets through just fine as a slur. but the word which signifies a stick of wood and is commonly used as a anti-homosexual slur gets censored even when it is NOT being used as a slur. I know this place is populated mostly by right-wing yahoos, but I am surprised that even y'all will countenance this heavy-handed and insensitive censorship posing as some sort of CYA morality.

WPH from MS

 

only if it's me, and she's hot.

 

This is enough proof for me



Blue = allows gays
Red = doesn't
Gray = no data

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service

So we can see that every military worth mention, with the exception of China who is really only worth mention because of their massive numbers, allows gays in their military. Now if this is working for the military of every other first world country, I'm pretty sure it can work for ours. I honestly do not see how allowing gays to serve openly is somehow going to destroy our military power. I don't even see how you can make that argument. The only argument you could make is that allowing gays to serve openly will deter every good, willing, and able recruit, causing the military to need to sink its standards. I highly doubt that will happen.

 

That is a field of one. We have no idea what cost we'll pay to make the whiny gays and mindless leftwads feel better about themselves.

In general, gays lead the league in many social pathologies. How do we profit from that?

 

Ah. Because the Israeli, German, French and British militaries -- to name a few -- are just a bunch of amateurs.

If the only thing you've got to support your supposed fear is mindless nationalism, you've got nothing.

 

Yeah, the French.................

 

agreed it will rise before its lowered just as the integration with the other races in the past.

 

I never expect intellectual honesty from you.

Thanks for meeting expectations.

 

Which just shows your bumper-sticker view of things.

France doesn't always have the best gear or the best generals, but their soldiers are quite good. And they're not afraid to get their hands dirty.