What Is Your Opinion On The Occupy Wallstreet Protests And Would You Join Us?

I wouldn't say all rich people...just most.

 

Because you live in a capitalist world. And you privatized everything Even things that are under the human rights.

 

There are some things about OWS I could get behind. Removing Corporate and Lobbying influence from elections and policy, being the primary one. Having had government health care in the military, as well as in three other countries, I could support that too.
I would also be willing to support measures that take all the tax breaks from Big Oil and Fortune 500's - and transferring those breaks, handouts etc... to any company that hires 100% American and pays their taxes 100% IN America. That would eliminate most of the major corps and bolster America's small to medium sized companies.
Our neighbor has invited us to the next OWS here and we're going to go check it out.
You know, being a responsible "job creator" for 20 years, I can take a day off when I want to...

 

I find it within me to express a plaintive woof in support of the good guys.

 

Like what? Why am I forced to pay other peoples share? Why should I have to work harder to provide for others who do nothing?

 

This protest is not about people not paying their share. It's about banks and corporations buying the american government and rigging the system so that they have all of the money.

 

do you believe this crap?

 

I started dating a moderately wealthy woman recently who makes a little over 200k a year and lives in California.

She says that between Federal, State and Local taxation she loses almost 55% of her paycheck every month.

If 55% of your pay isn't "doing a fair share".. I don't know what else is!

 

You ask for support, yet in the same breath insult most of the country..Yeah no.

 

She's lying, or needs a better accountant.

 

SiliconMagician Said: "A woman (who makes a little over 200k a year and lives in California) says that between Federal, State and Local taxation she loses almost 55% of her paycheck every month. If 55% of your pay isn't "doing a fair share".. I don't know what else is!"

55%? I would call that "taxed enough already"! In California, much of the tax burden is created by the State of California. Moreover, $200k in California is not as much as it may seem. Nevertheless, a look at the larger picture shows that Americans (as a group) are not "over taxed". However, for decades increasing benefits were distributed to the poor while less and less of the tax burden was distributed to the wealthy. This was sustainable because the middle class was viewed as an endless source of revenue for social programs and tax cuts for the rich!

At 55%, any middle income American is clearly "overtaxed"! And the "TEA" movement is orchestrated to use "over taxation" as a wedge to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and other social programs. However, the "over taxed" problem arose from decades of ever growing inequity in the distribution of the tax burden. Nevertheless, much is heard about "over taxation" with little or no attention to "fair distribution" of the tax burden. For the overtaxed middle class in California (and everywhere else), I recommend "tax reform now"!

 

Me too but if you think the best government corporate money can buy hasn't done their duty to their masters by keeping over a third of the population uneducated, non-competitive, and dormant on the welfare system, so mega corporations could monopolize the worlds industries, maximize profits, while eliminating the middle class, you need to wake the f(*)(*)(*) up. But don't beat yourself up too much over it you are in the majority.

 

Quoted for truth. The problem extends far beyond the government and the struggle isn't between those making $200k a year and those on welfare. The struggle is between those with the vast financial influence to corrupt and control government and those who don't. Everything else is just a distraction.

 

Okay, let me rephrase that. Who is "The People" now?

 

A couple things here:
1. She would not be taxed a single penny extra under any plans presented by either party.
2. She really should talk to a CPA and preferably a JD / CPA / LLM (like the one whose services I have employed for over a decade). During the last year I was a full-time employee, I made about $240K. With the help of the previously mentioned JD/CPA/LLM and opening a NV Corp, I paid just under $75K in taxes. In 2003, I made about $300K and paid about $50K (I had my own firm by then). My secretary made $24K and paid around $8K in taxes.

Tell her to get to a pro. She's screwing herself if she doesn't.

 

The "Occupy" movement isn't just Wall St. there are 900 occupations around the world. It's a global scream of pain and anger.

 

No the problem is its actually OUR money, and you want it, we simply want to enjoy the benefits in which we reap from our efforts. You liberals simply want a free ride off of our efforts.

 

And that is where the two party shenanigans come into play. Create the divide, what ever they agree too disagree. Rationalize the delusional, but never give in. Establish the mentality that it is either our way or the highway, and they are clearly the enemy. Then while the masses find comfort in choosing sides, and having a peer group to cling too, keep the peasants bickering and allow the rich/elites to do as they please without to much of an opposing force to contend with.
　
All great empires have had the same situation to deal with, but once the people realize they are being scammed they simply walk away. Unfortunately, these days, there is no where to wander too.

 

Which is why we're seeing people organize and protest...both the tea party movement and the OWS movement represent people resisting the status quo. The problem is that they are still predominantly fixated on the false dichotomy Hegelian dialectic fraud being thrust upon them.

 

There are different groups within it. Once one becomes the dominant force I'll decide if I agree with it.

 

There is no dominant force because the movement represents a diverse view point of Americans fed up with the effects of the marriage between big business and government.

 

The difference between the groups is the solutions. If the solution is what I agree with I will decide. Don't worry though, I am the minority in that I don't blindly subscribe to fads, so whatever the leftists have up their sleeve it'll probably temporarily work on Americans, at least up until Nov. 2012...

 

If you see everything as "left vs. right" then you are not in the minority, you are just as distracted as everyone else.

 

I don't see everything as left or right but there is a political spectrum and where I stand is clearly defined. If they stand with me or somewhere near, I support them, if not I don't. Or, don't tread on me and I'll tread with you.

 

If you support Republicans or Democrats you are supporting those that tread on you, or more specifically those who facilitate others treading on you.