Temporal Science

Discussion in 'Science' started by jmpet, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. jmpet

    jmpet New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Messages:
    3,807
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    0
    We are rotating at a thousand miles an hour, orbiting a sun at a million miles an hour in a solar system moving ten million miles an hour in the spiral arm of our galaxy moving at 100 million miles an hour all moving through space at a billion times an hour in Spacetime moving at a trillion miles an hour through space in every direction at Planck speed.

    Forgetting all temporal laws, to get from A to B temporally involves taking all of those calculations into consideration to arrive at B-point.

    Put another way- imagine aiming your gun at a ball moving a trillion miles an hour through space while aiming at one atom in that ball- this is the beginning of understanding of Spacetime it is highly improbable and very likely to fail. Any any successful attempt, however unlikely to happen, will create another universe separate from ours that we can never reach or prove happened.

    This makes Spacetime a destination you punch in and shoot at with a quadrillion quadrillion destinations, almost all of which are nowhere a billion light years near anything.

    In other words, even if you could build a time machine, the odds of it going from A to B borders the impossible.

    Spacetime travel is reserved for the highest-evolved sentiences- the most developed life forms...civilizations a billion years old that exist largely in mathematical form.
     
  2. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    cool ideas for people to think on

    depends on what you call A

    WOW.....

    dude, crack kills
    I agree, the model fails...........

    the creation is the universe of the example; which dont exist


    you're scary

    let me assist you:

    mankind created math

    mankind create 'the word'

    you created the scary post!
     
  3. jmpet

    jmpet New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Messages:
    3,807
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Just because you can't grasp a large concept doesen't mean it needs to be dumbed down to your level- it's already dumbed down- if you can't grasp it I suggest you go elsewhere.
     
  4. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    i tried to assist with the benchmarks;

    mankind created the math and the words you are even articuling with

    and you still didnt capture the facts of the matter
    science is where i do the most work

    to you it might be temporary, like a hobby but to me, science is the hallmark to mankinds understanding; the pursuit of truth

    And what i offered were benchmarks to get you started.
     
  5. jmpet

    jmpet New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Messages:
    3,807
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ...anf what I offered apparently you are unaware and unwilling to grasp.
     
  6. GhostVII

    GhostVII New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2010
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So, basically, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but your saying that the only way to travel through time is to take in the variables you listed, and try to determine where in the universe that point is at that period of time?

    Sounds about right, reason why there are 2 insurmountable obstacles to time travel: how to actually go back in time, and how to calculate where the Earth is, considering how fast the Galaxy is spinning, how fast the Galaxy is moving, and several million other unknown factors, which our fragile minds could not even comprehend.

    I might of just totally misread what you typed though. :p
     
  7. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    what you shared is that if that absolute point (of no motion) was identified, then the speed of light could be proven incorrect because there would be enough difference. ie.... to know that vector difference between here and that point, then a calculation and experiment could be created

    And the funny part is, i have a feeling you didnt even see that.
     
  8. Colonel K

    Colonel K Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    9,770
    Likes Received:
    556
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Time travel is easy. By the time you finish reading this we're in the future.
     
  9. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0

    hilariously brilliant!

    so lets follow that up:

    and if you remember it, you are experiencing the past
     
  10. Anarcho-Technocrat

    Anarcho-Technocrat New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2009
    Messages:
    5,169
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You didn't take any inertial reference frames into account.
     
  11. fredc

    fredc New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2010
    Messages:
    733
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'm not moving at all.

    It's everything else that is moving.
     
  12. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    30,071
    Likes Received:
    1,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Neat trick could be useful for stealth technology...
    :fart:
    Time cloaking: how scientists opened a hidden gap in time
    January 4, 2012 - Scientists say they have achieved 'temporal cloaking' – manipulating light in a way that makes it appear as if 50 trillionths of a second never happened. Now, they'll try to expand the gap.
     
  13. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    30,071
    Likes Received:
    1,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Uncle Ferd could use dat when Granny throws the skillet at him...
    :invisable:
    'Deflector shield' technology tested
    Nov. 13,`12 (UPI) -- A device capable of diverting electromagnetic radiation to produce a "deflector shield" has been tested by U.S. company Fractal Antenna Systems.
     
  14. Clint Torres

    Clint Torres New Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    5,711
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    0
    What types of and how strong is the radiation of the sun within the distance from moon to the earth? Is it something a human can survive?
     
  15. Beast Mode

    Beast Mode New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2012
    Messages:
    2,106
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Your numbers are way off but it's irrelevant to this topic.

    Special and General relativity, I got it....well actually I don't. :blankstare:

    On a quantum level I don't think this is improbable. The fact that we can see is evidence, unless you're trying to debunk 100 years of physics. And I don't see how you jump to the conclusion that another universe is necessarily created by this process. This is fringe science physics, that matrix in a matrix stuff. It can't make predictions and it will never be able to until we learn more about consciousness and it's link to the physical world...which can't be done until we somehow quantify consciousness mathematically.




    That makes sense, except for the whole alien's can space travel part. Time is essentially a measurement of the entropy in a system, which right now appears irreversible. But a quantum jump to any point in space could possibly be considered a jump into time. Since what you've observed at point A would be the past remnants of point B, and an instant jump to point B at that time would be traveling to the present of point B: that difference is time would be equivalent to the distance between point A and point B. And there's no guarantee that your consciousness is going to function after a quantum jump, so there would be no guarantee that an evolved sentience would even be able to do this.

    But again, to be able to do anything like this we need to have a good model of consciousness and how it's effected by the physical world.
     
  16. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    coherance of energy

    Learn about how energy works upon mass.

    it's as stupid as the Time is essentially a measurement of the entropy in a system, which right now appears irreversible.



    that is on of your most ignorant claims

    Entropy is not a property of nature.


    then read most


    Hameroff proposes that these electrons are close enough to become quantum entangled.[10] In the original version of his proposals, Hameroff went on to hypothesise that these electrons could become locked in phase, forming a state known as a Bose-Einstein condensate.[11][12] In his most recent paper,[13] he has amended this to suggest that electrons within the tubulin subunits are part of a Frohlich condensate, which is a coherent oscillation of dipolar molecules


    Another neuroscientist, Danko Georgiev, has provided a footnote to the Orch-OR theory. He accepts much of Penrose's ideas, but criticises a good part of Hameroff's scheme. He proposes that quantum coherence on the surface of the microtubules extends via presynaptic scaffold proteins to the synapses, where it both influences synaptic firing, and is transmitted across the synaptic cleft to other neurons.[15]

    Recently the debate about Hameroff's proposals has focused round papers by Reimers et al.[16] and McKemmish et al.[17] and Hameroff's replies to these,[13] which is not regarded as being independently reviewed. The Reimer's paper claimed that microtubules could only support 'weak' 8 MHz coherence, but that the Orch-OR proposals required a higher rate of coherence. Hameroff, however, claims that 8 MHz coherence is sufficient to support the Orch-OR proposal. McKemmish et al. makes two claims; firstly that aromatic molecules cannot switch states because they are delocalised. Hameroff, however, claims that he is referrinng to the behaviour of two or more electron clouds; secondly McKemmish shows that changes in tubulin conformation driven by GTP conversion would result in a prohibitive energy requirement. Against this, Hameroff claims that all that is required is switching in electron cloud dipole states produced by London forces.
     
  17. Beast Mode

    Beast Mode New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2012
    Messages:
    2,106
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This is interesting and all but we have yet, in reality, to cool atoms down to absolute zero. So there's not a whole lot we can draw from this yet.
     
  18. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    im getting the impression you dont read much


    "Herbert Fröhlich proposed in 1968 that there could exist condensates composed of a collection of vibrational oscillators that had all of their vibrational energy concentrated in just one collective motion - the motion of lowest frequency," explained Laura.

    "These Fröhlich condensates were postulated to develop a highly ordered non-equilibrium state that has properties similar to a Bose-Einstein condensate," said Laura.

    "All of the energy in this lowest frequency mode was thought to arise from Jaser-like 'coherent excitation', creating large scale dynamic properties in the whole system. So you end up with macroscopic properties in the system that are significantly different from ordinary experience. Superconductivity is another example of this sort of collective property within a system.

    "There's lots of interest in finding applications of Fröhlich condensates in physics, chemistry, biology and medicine. The problem is that there has never been an unambiguous example of Fröhlich condensates identified."




    and NO, i aint posting the reference.

    do your own homework

    I do mine!
     
  19. Beast Mode

    Beast Mode New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2012
    Messages:
    2,106
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Nice thought experiment but I'll be more interested when Fröhlich can actually demonstrate that energy can ignore time.
     
  20. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    19,980
    Likes Received:
    1,177
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Actually one is just dealing with a stored memory/thought which may or may not be based on reality. Real events can be embellished, altered, ignored, fantasized, depending on internal/external influences, many of which might have been created in the present, meaning one's concept of 'experiencing the past' has little to do with reality. At a high school reunion, after one person recounts their 'experiences' another person might say 'I don't remember it that way at all'. So both came from the same past time but have different 'pasts'. SO...if we remember something...are we actually experiencing the past...
     
  21. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    all of us lived the EXPERIENCE of being born, how it is remembered is not as important as the facts
     
  22. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    thought is conceived in time and often of that future, not yet here


    Do you even know what time it is, actually?

    .

    'Now' is both ends of your experiments, time.

    To comprehend the awareness of transcending time, remember your last deja vu.

    Stop believing and start becoming aware
     
  23. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    19,980
    Likes Received:
    1,177
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm thinking 'we' personally didn't live any experience of being born; others experienced this and each of them have a different story to tell. The only fact in someone being born is knowing to add 'one' to the population count. Five people in a delivery room might give five different answers to 'time' of birth...which time is the 'fact'? I might even suggest that the existence of a human only exists as long as others have a 'memory' of this human; the memory of someone is their legacy.
     
  24. Bishadi

    Bishadi Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    12,292
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    my life, was alive, while my parents were doing the wild thing.

    All of us experienced birth. Knowing what we experienced: I doubt a one could tell.



    the experience of an event dont have to be dscribed to occur

    Your method of describing 'experience' is less that half right
    WOW!
    the truth, not ignorant opinion


    Is Mount Rushmore a memory?

    Are you a memory?

    Is the Book, On the Origins of Species, a memory?
     
  25. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    19,980
    Likes Received:
    1,177
    Trophy Points:
    113
     

Share This Page