Good point. It is based on the primitive concept of human sacrifice. Primitives used to sacrifice infants to appease their God, which was a repugnant act, so the human sacrifice aspect evolved so that one person would allegedly be sacrificed for everyone once and for all. It was just a new twist on the primitive belief that God required human sacrifices. That's another good point. I have always wondered why one Biblical account claimed that Jesus' last words were, "Why have you forsaken me?" and another book says his last words were,"Into your hands I commend your spirit." There is a big contradiction there. I don't believe that happened. The Jesus myth merely took the concept of human sacrifice to a different level. I don't dispute the possibility that a person named Jesus lived, but I see him more as a human who taught spiritual concepts of love and tolerance, rather than as a god.
Just because Christ died for the sin of all the world, doesn't mean he was guilty of those sins or that he committed them.
But what if he didn't suffer on the cross? Just something to think about. As well as: Why would God decide to punish Jesus (PBUH) for all sins when in the past God punished the people directly for their sins, example the flood? Salam
Hmmm. The old testament was the word of God. Then the new testament was the word of god also. Then islam the same, then the mormons, then this then that. Its all so believable. So believable that you have to already believe to believe were told. Oh and Jesus had all these sins put on him, which he regretted? And also he suffered more than anyone in history has ever suffered. Ever. Never mind that he wasnt even the only one crucified on the day.
LOL Yea what's the big deal about Jesus's death. He was a blasphemer and died a blasphemer's death in those days. Sure it was rough, but that's what happened to folks like that. And if He survived His crucifixion, how come He's not around anymore? Conveniently whisked away up to Heaven before we could see Him. LOL, sounds phony baloney to me!
We are to be for for others sins? Why was only Jesus (PBUH) made an example of? Why didn't God make Noah (PBUH) an example when his people sinned? Why didn't God make Moses (PBUH) an example when his people chose to worship the calf? Salam
Of course there were no Christians 50K years ago. There were no humans at all. So be sure to share the truth with those young impressionable kids. We wouldn't want them to grow up to be evolutionists and not know their Creator.
I agree that we all take responsibility for our actions and it's what we deserve, but to be punished for all eternity when you have a sinless man who was God shoulder the punishment because He loves you, one must be a fool as well. Your wish will be honored. Punishment for all eternity. Was/is it worth it?
Then His Word is a lie. If you commit one sin you have committed all sins in the eyes of God. Sin is sin.
I am sorry that my questions make you feel uncomfortable. I am well aware of the Bible story of the crucifixion and I think my questions are critical to understanding the story. Jesus is God so it was really God hanging on the Cross. Should we feel sorry for something God did to himself ? It is not really self sacrifice if one is a God. It is just putting on a show for humans. Regardless of Gods reasons it is still curious why God would call out to himself as if in distress (Why have you forsaken me). Do you really think God was actually in distress ? Any pain God felt was really his own doing .. Why would God inflict pain upon himself ? Was God thinking .. "I want these humans to obey my commands so I will come down to Earth and inflict some pain upon myself publically so that they start obey my commands" ? Just wondering what your thoughts are on the issue.
What would suggest to you that He did not suffer on the cross? Are you referring to the physical pain or His separation from His Father? His physical suffering is not what atoned for all sins of mankind, it was the result of His separation from His Father for the sins He bore for us that allows us to be reconciled to God. While we are here on this earth we are not punished for our sins rather we suffer the consequences of our sin. Those who died prior to sin were under mercy or the Law depending whether they lived before or during the time of the Law. Those who died in the Great Flood did not die for punishment sake, but rather God extended them Grace by ending their wicked earthly lives. It was/is our sins that are forgiven not necessarily any suffering that we might experience. No difference for those that died before the time of the Cross.
I cannot help you in your lack of understanding of God and things of a biblical nature. The Word of God is more than was, it is still the Word of God. Jesus did not regret boring all of the sins of man nor the physical punishment, He regretted His separation from His Father. If you do not know the difference between the crucifiction of Jesus and the others on that day, then I can understand your unbelief. It is regrettable, but you chose what to believe or not. I do as well. We all do.
For you these are good points that help you to support your unbelief, however they are in conflict with what the Word says. Now, if the Holy Bible you cannot accept as the Word of God, why do you and other naysayers spend so much time criticizing a book of fiction? Do you actually believe a true bible-believing Christian is going to take your comments seriously? You are only reaching others of your like-minded view and jaundicing the view of other true seekers. Not nice.
There are many conflicting stories of the life of Christ. Which of these stories are true we do not know but some of them have to be false. I think the story crucifixion is one of the best refutations to Trinity doctrine. A doctrine not believed by the early Christians, called heresy by the Church as late as as the third century and only made doctrine in the 4th Century changing 300 years of belief. Putting God on the Cross instead of Jesus just does not seem to work, but this is what the Trinity doctrine asks folks to believe. I believe that there is some truth to the story of Jesus but even Bible encyclopedia's and dictionaries say that Jesus never claimed to be God.
Christians believe that Jesus "is" God. This is the essence of the Trinity doctrine. It is God punishing himself
Speaking for God again ? That is Gods decision not yours. There are few things that would upset God more than a human putting words in his mouth IMO. In my mind, claiming to speak for God is the most foolish thing a human can do .. period. If there is no God the claim is meaningless but if there is a God ....
I was responding to Gifted One's post, and I don't care what others think about my answer. The Word as presented in the Bible contains contradictions, including the reports of Jesus' last words which I pointed out and which you ignored. I don't see that as "jaundicing" anyone's view, but asking valid questions and making observations. Religion fascinates me, and so does the Bible. One doesn't have to believe in the premise of a book to enjoy discussing it.
Jesus said several things while on the Cross. They were said at different times of the day. So we have to look at the timeframe they were spoken in and the view and context of the writers. I see no conflict. http://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Words.html I encourage your continued fascination of Religion and your discussing the Holy Bible. This is an encouragement to me, however not that you consider the premise of a book but that you in some respect and in due time may find that it is more than just another book, that it in fact is the Word of God.
YOU LIKE CONTROVERSY, YOU DONT AFFECT ME SO I CAN SEE YOUR PROVACKATIVENESS, I AM NOT RELIGIOUS BUT Spiritual, AMERICAN INDIAN, I SEE YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE BROTHER! I feel you are not who you are in your picture.... You are an impostor, trying to disservice these good people, yes you are, and you will be singled out for that, you will experience Karma for this, so stop complicating your life and be true to yourself and others! Jollee
