The birther thread to end all birther threads

Cirque du Soleil, you mean? I love that show, seen it on 4 continents but the "O" in Vegas is my all times favorite...

As for the rest of your post, having the president born of 2 US citizen is precisely the reason for Hugo Chavez not having any clout over him. Thiunk people, think, use your G*d given abilities

 

Except for the Birther dual citizen disqualification which gives Hugo Chavez complete veto power over the eligibility of any American for the Presidency.

 

been tipping with sfjeff.

 

No idea what you're talking about, honestly. elaborate, please?

 

If dual citizens cannot be President, Hugo Chavez could deny any American the Presidency simply by involuntarily extending him Venezuelan citizenship.

 

Ah, I see where're you going with this... so, Hugo Chavez may bestow a honorary Venezuelan citizenship onto American president? Can US president decline such a honor, or refuse to accept it? What do you think?

This is baffling.... funny, but baffling

 

Oh it gets funnier.

Let's say Michelle Bachmann is the Republican nominee for President, and unbeknownst to anyone Hugo Chavez secretly makes her a Venezuelan citizen the day before the election.

According to you, she would be ineligible- even though she didn't even know she was a Venezuelan citizen.

Then the day after her innaugeration, Hugo could announce her Venezuelan citizenship and then according to Birthers she would suddenly not be President.

and according to Wash's interpretation of the Constitution, the last President would step in.

This is the whacky world Birthers want.

Foreign governments who wanted to cause mischief to the United States could do all sorts of things if the Birthers were allowed to change the definition of NBC to their definition.

 

you imposed an imaginary obot time limit (the most dramatic one).

like the election of 2000 it will go into the courts... like it did. if what you say is true, the supreme court and congress would intervein. but of course in true obot fashion, sublimed yourselves.

hugo doesn't get the last word. what else do you have ??

 

Washington Ineptocrats talk to Themselves all the Time. No one will take them seriously. So they have to talk with themselves. They live in their own "just because I said so" world of reason. It is best to let them stay there where they can only hurt themselves.

 

Patriotic You needn't lesson to rahl, Wrongkimark or jeffie. They all believe in their playbook "just because I said so". They refuse to accept what is history and written in black and white. They talk to themselves, argue both sides of the issue unintelligently. If you really want to get some more facts read the Supreme Court cases of Venus, Minor and Ark. Everyone of them point to the fact that Vattel's definition of a natural born citizen is a person born of citizens of that nation.

 

You can, and should do better than that JEFF - after all, what are you getting paid for?

For these not in the know, most governments can do is to bestow a HONORARY citizenship onto a foreign citizen, which carry a diddly squat of responsibilities and opportunities, afforded to a "citizenship". It is what it is, a honorary title, awarded for foreign citizens for some extraordinary deed. A "honorary" citizen is not a citizen of the country in question, cannot be drafted and most certainly, cannot be expected to have some extra loyalty toward the country who gave him this title.

So, Hugo Chavez cannot secretly make Michelle Bachmann a Venezuelan citizen the day before the election - best he can do is to bestow a honorary citizenship upon her, which is meaningless, and Michelle would have a good laugh before refusing it.

You're full of it, JEFF. Try harder, will yea?

 

Please copy and paste Justice Gray's quote about bullsh*t or is this some more of your "just because I said so" bullsh*t.

I think you have already accepted that you are a subject. I will remain a citizen.

 

neither venus, nor minor have anything to do with citizenship. ark held that anyone born on US soil, is a natural born US citizen. none of the three even so much as mention vattels views on citizenship.

 

There is no Vattel definition. The phrase natural born citizen never passed his lips or his pen. The phrase also cannot be found in the Venus decision (a case like Minor having nothing to do with citizenship anyway.)

It really sucks to be a Birther.

 

It was quoted in the post you just responded too. Are you really so daft as to have missed it?

 

jeff i don't really think bush would be president again, seriously.

 

So Dutch- are you saying that a foreign government cannot impose citizenship on a person without their consent?

Are you saying that the American Congress- which by the Constitution has the absolute authority to determine Naturalization laws, couldn't pass a law making all illegal aliens in the United States, citizens of the United States?

Or are you just making stuff up again?

Really what else can you do? Because when one of the cornerstones of the those who have gone full Birther is making up a new definition of Natural Born Citizen solely to exclude President Obama, you can't admit that the obvious downside is that it gives foreign laws authority over the American Constitution, and gives foreign governments veto power over who can be the American President.

 

Let me be very specific in answering your questions JEFF, so you again do not accuse me of "making stuff up" - I do not do that, tat is your prerogative.

Yes, I am saying that a "foreign government cannot impose citizenship on a person without their consent". What foreign government can do is to award a honorary citizenship, which is not the same as citizenship. Look up definition of both and, if still have questions, aks me to splain them to you.

And I never said that "American Congress- which by the Constitution has the absolute authority to determine Naturalization laws, couldn't pass a law making all illegal aliens in the United States, citizens of the United States" - you're making stuff up again, JEFF. Of course they can.

Anything else you need me to splain to you?

 

Okay thanks.

Then we are in agreement- at least in part.

Barack Obama is not a dual citizen- and according to you- has never been one.

Since Barack Obama was born an American citizen, in Hawaii, and never consented to be a UK or Kenyan citizen, he cannot currently be one- according to you- and again according to you- he could never have been one.

I disagree with you that a governement cannot unilaterally impose citizenship on anyone they want, but I am pleased you no longer believe that stupid theory.