Worshiping God? Is this really worship? (Christians only. Atheists NOT allowed)

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  1. Felicity

    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He deserves it. It is right and just to do so.
     
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    No, that is quantitative, because you are positing degrees of profundity, and thus glossing over the qualitative distinction between a gesture of obeisance and an act of worship.
     
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    BFOJ New Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. To you, a non-believer it is.
     
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    So in other words, he has no time for all the other things that Jesus said he should be doing. Not even Jesus, who never sinned spend all His time doing what your friend is doing. Jesus went about doing good....healing the sick, feeding people, and most important preaching the good news of the kingdom of God. Jesus said, why call Him Lord and do not do the things He command. And what did Jesus command? What did He tell the disciples to do? Preach the gospel. He sure did not command them to worship Him. He also said, in vain they worship Him and teaching the commandments of men. So it would seem all the above that I said applies to this friend of yours.

    My advice to you is this: leave your friend alone. He is convinced that what he is doing is the right thing, and nothing that you can say will make him believe different. One day he will come to his senses.
     
  5. BFOJ

    BFOJ New Member Past Donor

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    "And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean." -Matthew 8:2

    "While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live." -Matthew 9:18

    "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." -Matthew 14:33

    "Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me." -Matthew 15:25

    "Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him." -Matthew 20:20

    "And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." -Matthew 28:9

    "And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." -Matthew 28:17

    "And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit...But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him" -Mark 5:2, 6
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    And where in any of those verse it said Jesus commanded or told them to worship Him?

    What good is it if all you do is worship Jesus but don't do what He tells you to do? Is He impressed with that?
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    The fact of the matter is worship is something one does voluntarily out of gratitude.....it cannot be forced. But God never made human beings for the sole purpose of worshiping Him. You will never find where God said He made us to worship Him. God made human beings to rule.....He made us to share ruler-ship with Him and to be part of the oneness of God....Father Son and Holy Spirit.
     
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    Er....um.....conundrum. You say that you follow the teachings of Jesus but don't seem to know what his teachings are.

    Jesus said that Peter would be the cornerstone that he would build his church upon. You know, the church you ignore.

    When Jesus was riding into Jerusalem on a donkey the people were worshipping him and Christ said that if they did not the very stones along the path would have cried out in worship. In addition, he said God desire people to worship him in spirit and in truth.

    My guess is that you pretty much do your own thing and just try to live a moral life, whatever that means. In other words, you just live your life and do what is right in your own eyes, like athiests do. Just like ignoring the church of Christ and not worshipping the God of us all. You know, the guy in the sky who gave you everything you have and everything that is good in your life.

    Edit: You may want to at least say thanks someday if the mood strikes you. :lol:
     
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    Jedi:
    You freind is definitely not wrong to worship God. He may be missing a huge point in the Bible by thinking that is what he was put here to do on Earth. We have all eternity to worship God - this life is finite, and a gift from God.

    There are things that he wishes for us, passages that describe roles for husbands and wives, and most importantly, service (charity). These too are acts of worship, of accepting God's grace and wisdom - his blessings.

    Perhaps introducing him to these passages would help him see that humanity is God, and sreving them is serving him. It is, after all, his great act of love - charity.
     
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    And this is why atheists were asked not to participate in the discussion.

    This is supposed to be a discussion about what is proper, not a recruitment drive from deliberately misquoted texts to tell the OP he is wrong and should be atheist instead.

    Is it really so hard for atheists to respect someone else's privacy?

    So you really think that atheists, who have treated the OP authori with horrible disdane, anger, and derision, is going to be swayed because you come in and deliberately twist his faith?

    Because he is not wrong. We are not supposed to spend ALL our time in our church and turn our back on humanity.

    You however, are wrong. In more ways than one.
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only if you ignore what "profound" means. :roll:
     
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    Take the blinders off, did Jesus at any time rebuke someone who worshipped Him?

    We are not about the business of impressing Jesus for this is impossible. What makes you think we don't strive to do what He "tells" us? For why do you believe we need Jesus as our Savior if not that we fall short of the Glory of God?
     
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    Humans are to have dominion over all on earth. We will not share "ruler-ship with Him" until the return of Jesus.

    Indwelled with the Holy Spirit, we do have the mind of Jesus and in our spiritual realm we are one with God. This is not true of our physical or mind. What one primarily dwells on is their Master and if it's not God, then it's to be forsaken.
     
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    Read the passage again. Nowhere is the word "cornerstone" mentioned. For the Rock, the Cornerstone, the Foundation is none other than Jesus. For throughout scripture this is taught. To quote one "verse" out of context, then create a church from this is blasphemous.

    The Church is the body of believers, it is not a building or institution contrary to what some would force their belief on the rest of us.
     
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    Actually it doesn't matter what you meant by it, because you used it comparatively.
     
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    And what's your point? This conversation is stupid.
     
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    That you're not making any sense.
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not me.
     
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    Hmmmmm.... no. Worshiping is exactly as I implied, it is as ants bowing down to a human being, and the human being killing them all if they refuse to worship.

    It is a very silly concept.
     
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    Kinda 'silly' as you look like while bending over and wiping, huh?!......another 'fact of life.' Humbling, aint it....
     
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    I am impressed by your superior intellect.

    Bathroom humor.
     
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    As the Apostle Paul said, "I have become all things to all men that I might win some.'

    I merely came down to your level to give you some understanding of what you say is silly, by giving it some 'perspective.'


    Which scenario is the most 'silly?' A Christian worshipping their God; or you doing your daily thing..?!! YOU LOSE as in winning the most silliest!!!
     
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    I'm a Christian but as a member of Unity, my beliefs are not what you would call traditional.
    Would I want to dampen your friend's passion for his faith? No. Although it's not the way I would personally choose to live, many people have lived rich, fulfilling lives, devoting themselves entirely to God.
    That being said, Jesus was very explicit about not making a show of one's faith. It is a personal matter between you and God.
     
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    How does one become a Christian? Does traditional mean acceptance of the Holy Bible as the Word of God?
     
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    That is really an amazing and self defeating analogy. First of all, ants will not worship a human being, and secondly, through the ages, ants are still survivors of the human assault because of them not worshiping humans.
     

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