Christians, how would you react to a masgue opening near you?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Daggdag, Dec 7, 2011.

?

How would you react to a Masgue opening near you?

  1. Protest, because all muslims are terrorists

    3 vote(s)
    8.6%
  2. Let them be, but be cautious of any signs of fanaticsm

    6 vote(s)
    17.1%
  3. Let them worship in peace, they have no effect on my life

    26 vote(s)
    74.3%
  1. MisLed

    MisLed New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2011
    Messages:
    7,299
    Likes Received:
    329
    Trophy Points:
    0
    if you are twisting the bible then you are not a christian. More likely an atheist or a humanist or just plain evil. But i'm being redundant. The reader is clearly warned NOT to twist or change the words or meaning of Bible Scripture.
     
  2. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    0
    People are warned to many things, but do it anyway.

    That is part of human nature.

    In some cases, being told not do do something makes them want to do it more, just to be defiant.

    Salam
     
  3. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2011
    Messages:
    14,427
    Likes Received:
    639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the Bible doesn't need today's atheisrs or anyone else to "twist or change" the words and meaning of the Bible.

    That has been done for EVER, sometime just through translations from dead languages to MANY life languages, sometime purposely to meet men's greed or need for power.

    Even before the written Bible, there were 'adaptations" based on cultural and time limitations, when the story of the Jewish people was transformed from a "talk story" to written languages.

    the Bible also is the rendition of ONE people in history, which in itself implies a bias in the way stories are told.

    so, although I trust that the Bible is an interesting document that gives us insights in the struggle of ONEpeople to find their way and their image of the Universal God, there is no way that the word of today's Bible can be the LITERAL word of God. It is filled with the imperfections of men, and their limitations.

    Even Bible studies vary on their interpretations of many scriptures!
     
  4. Neutral

    Neutral New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2010
    Messages:
    14,003
    Likes Received:
    87
    Trophy Points:
    0
    They are different processes that have the same problem.

    We are assuming that the Prophets words are all accurately recorded in absolute perfection, and as we see with your example above - well, words like strike or leave then give very different meanings.

    A man beating his wife or an extremist out to bash Islam will obviously choose one meaning over the other, while, in that case, the original intent is somewhat obvious. That is not the case over issues like abulutions when we look at the Suna and Shia versions of these, who both look at texts regarding this practice and see similiar if slightly different designs.

    The Bible, or at least the New Testament, is the recorded witness of Jesus. Its accuracy comes not from a single rendering but, using what is standard intellectual practice today, multiple accounts. The Synoptic gospels are in remarkable agreement and, like any religion, the problems that arise are not from inaccuracy, they arise from focusing on a single snippet or by focusing excessively on a single rule.

    There are plenty of Muslims who view the imbruligio over abultutions to be a distraction from the reality of the religion, and certainly not an arguement that should detract from the Ummah when dealing with God.

    That is a message that comes through in the New Testament. The excessive focus on rule compliance can be just as damaging to the faithful as abandoning rules.

    And there is one aspect that two religions are in complete agreement about - the point of understanding is found in wisdom.
     
  5. MisLed

    MisLed New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2011
    Messages:
    7,299
    Likes Received:
    329
    Trophy Points:
    0
    on the surface your argument sounds reasonable. but it isn't. The bible for being written by a number of different authors is remarkably consistent. It is the story of the struggle of the Jews but it is also the struggle of man and God's offer of salvation. I can see in your argument the reasonableness of determined (*)(*)(*)(*)ation for man rather than salvation as promoted by your professors.
     
  6. BFOJ

    BFOJ New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Messages:
    4,216
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    OJLeb is a Lebanese Muslim. So he wouldn't be in line with the Holy Bible in any manner of speaking.
     
  7. Mia

    Mia New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2011
    Messages:
    310
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    When have you ever heard of anything like that happening? Where do you live?
     
  8. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    0
    What's that suppose to mean?

    Unlike some people I am not ignorant on the other Abrahimic monotheistic religions ;)

    سلام
     
  9. BFOJ

    BFOJ New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Messages:
    4,216
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It means that you don't truly have an understanding of the Holy Bible. It's just another text to you. For without the Holy Spirit indwelling you can only view it with limited human understanding.
     
  10. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    0
    True, I do not have a true understanding of the Bible. But this has nothing to do with being Lebanese, Muslim, or anything to do with Jesus (PBUH).

    I haven't read the Bible. But I know it isn't just another book. It's another Holy Scripture. I have no problem recognizing this.

    However you are trying to say some Christians do not twist the Bible. There are a billion Christians in this planet. If you do not believe even one of them twists the Bible to fit their view on life, you are being quite ignorant.

    Muslims twist the Quran, Christians twist the Bible, Jews twist the Torah (or use the Talmud). There is no question about it. However, whether these Muslims, Christians and Jews are true Muslims, Christians and Jews is another story.

    But they exist.

    سلام
     
  11. BFOJ

    BFOJ New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Messages:
    4,216
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I never suggested Christians do not twist the Bible. They do so out of not reading, studying and relying on the revealings of the Holy Spirit. They rely on others and are ignorant of the Word of God. I'm sure this is true of all religions.

    The reason I mentioned Lebanese Muslim is because it is in your user profile and I was responding to another Poster that questioned your Christianity, which of course you are not. I have read the Quran, the books of the LDS, Jehovah's Watch Tower and other religious text and find they don't represent the God I know and serve. Thus, I remain a Christian. Many who call themselves Christian are not if they do not believe Jesus is their Savior.
     
  12. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Well you didn't disagree with MisLed above. Instead you pretty much just said "he (as in me) wouldn't understand".

    Maybe I misunderstood your post...

    Who questioned my Christianity?

    سلام
     
  13. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    15,668
    Likes Received:
    1,957
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The bible itself is made up of a number of different books written by a number of different authors......The bible was put together by the Council of Trent, which was a council formed of all of the Bishops of the many churches at the time. These Bishops did not all have the same believes. Many of the held believes about Christ that would be seen as non-Christians by today's standards.....One even held the Gnostic belief that the god of the old testament was evil and that Jesus killed and replaced him on the throne. The bible, as we know it, was just the outcome of their debate on which books needed to be included in a Christian holy book. Many of the books had no connection to each other except that the Council of Trent put them in the bible.
     
  14. BFOJ

    BFOJ New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Messages:
    4,216
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Do you not read your own post?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MisLed
    "if you are twisting the bible then you are not a christian. More likely an atheist or a humanist or just plain evil. But i'm being redundant. The reader is clearly warned NOT to twist or change the words or meaning of Bible Scripture."
     
  15. Mia

    Mia New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2011
    Messages:
    310
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I have never heard anyone say 'strike' means 'leave'.
     
  16. junobet

    junobet New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2011
    Messages:
    4,225
    Likes Received:
    53
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If you want yours respected you should know better than deliberately insulting other people's religious beliefs.
     
  17. MrConservative

    MrConservative Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    1,681
    Likes Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    48
    The Bible was put together long before Trent. Ever heard of The Vulgate?
     
  18. protectionist

    protectionist Banned

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    13,898
    Likes Received:
    126
    Trophy Points:
    0
    First of all, Islam isn't even a religion. Second, even if it was, it wouldn't be banned for anything having to do with religion, it would/could/should be banned for being a violation of Article 6, section 2 of the Constitution (the Supremacy Clause) + it is also a violation us US Code 2384 (Seditious Conspiracy).
    At the very least, the Muslim Brotherhood (including its hundreds of front organizations) should be banned in the USA. This could amount to an overall ban on Islam in America, for all practical purposes.

    As for rights and freedoms, you don't have the right or freedom to violate the Constitution and US laws. Problem with Islam is, it does just that.
     
  19. montra

    montra New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,953
    Likes Received:
    108
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I would declare a jihad and send children out into the streets to blow themselves up............BLAH!!! :mrgreen:
     
  20. protectionist

    protectionist Banned

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    13,898
    Likes Received:
    126
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I disagree. The most intolerant ones are the ones who PRETEND they are tolerant, all the while supporting the massive intolerance of Islam and its hateful, oppressive Koran. And to boot, go around saying that they are a "proud Muslim". Proud of what ? An ideology (masquerading as a religion) that has killed 270 million people around the world over 1400 years ? That advocates wife beating, pedophilia, genocide, slavery, et al. ? To be proud of an ideology like that, one would have to be insane.

    Also, chances are the majority of "proud Muslims" living today, are only Muslims because their non-Muslim ancestors were tortured or killed for refusing to convert to Islam. Most Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims, and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim. Sheeeeeeshh !!
     
  21. protectionist

    protectionist Banned

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    13,898
    Likes Received:
    126
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Islam is not religious belief's. BFOJ summed it up pretty well.
     
  22. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    What mind boggling ignorance.................
     
  23. MrConservative

    MrConservative Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    1,681
    Likes Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Leave them be. Personally, I would rather see a new Catholic Church open up.
     
  24. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That wasn't directed to me. Read the post he war quoting, first, then read my very first post in this thread ;)

    Not in English, in Arabic.

    سلام
     
  25. Neutral

    Neutral New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2010
    Messages:
    14,003
    Likes Received:
    87
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Only the most obtuse people in the world would attempt to classify Islam as anything other than a religion.

    Everyone can disagree with a religion, that is what this forum is about.

    But if you walk around denying that Islam is a religion, understand, you are well outside accepted norms and pretty much branded yourself an irrational extremist.

    How about you try disagreeing on a point that is actually debateable (whether Islam is a religion or not is a conspiracy theory and should be confined to that section)?

    All this appears to be is incitement to emotion.
     

Share This Page