If JFK had lived, the US would be the most beloved and respected Nation in the World.

that would be true for you,falling for what wikipedia says.they can type in anything they want to there,they have a history of making up fairy tales such as this one.

 

sorry like I told him,wiki has a history of spreading disinformation.they can type in anything they want to there.you need to read this book that tells the REAL history with actual documents taken out of the archives and rent this video I referred to earlier as well that was broadcast on PBS a national network that talks all about vietnam I own where they tell the FACTS that he only sent in advisors.pure propaganda by wiki and you fell for it.

 

again you need to watch that video that was shown on PBS that talks all about vietnam.again I own that video and it is an objective piece on vietnam and covers it extensively.It doesnt delve into the kennedy assassination or that oswald did not do it or anything,they only tell the truth facts of vietnam.You did not ask how you can get a hold of that video so you obviously are not a serious researcher.If you were,you would read that book I referred to earlier that you did not even ask me what the title was.This book is the whole truth.It is based on thousands of documents recovered from the national archives in washington of Eisenhowers and Kennedys policys.Documents dont lie.INTERNET LINKS "DO.: and like i said,wiki is hardly a reliable source,they have a long history of posting disinformation.till you read the book and watch that video, you have no case.

Internet links prove NOTHING especially like i said,if its coming from wiki.documents do. anybody who knows anything about vietnam knows combat troops were not introduced till Johnson was president when he instigated the gulf of tonkin incident firing on them when WE were the ones who fired FIRST provoking them into firing back which the media and Johnson lied to the american people about.even the commander of that ship came forward and later years admitting they fired first to start the war kennedy resisted.

 

you fail to mention those 16,000 were all advisors that none were combat troops that engaged in combat and coming from wiki i seriously doubt that it was 184,000 troops,if they were,they were just advisors who helped train the south vietnamese to fire weapons.again if you watch that video that tells the truth about kennedys actions-again it doesnt mention anything about who killed kennedy or get into that,it stays focused on just vietnam,they talk about in the documentary,how kennedy only sent in combat troops his entire time.sorry but this documentary and the actual documents from the national archives kinda pisses on wiki who failed to prove anything there that kennedy esculated the war.

this documentary on vietnam I own has no ax to grind whatsoever either on Johnson or kennedy,they dont talk about how johnson instigated the gulf of tonkin incident,they just mention the gulf of tonkin incident happening.they just say after that happened when JOHNSON was president,that combat troops were FINALLY introduced.that wiki link failed to disprove anything i have said that Kennedy never sent in combat troops.it doesnt go by actual policys of Eisenhower and Kennedy in the fact any serious researcher knows his aides all said he was never interested in a war in vietnam.again you need to watch the documentary and read that book,not just listen to what wiki says.that is if your interested in the TRUE facts of vietnam.You need to real all the posts of what those people said in my first post on this page as well to understand why vietnam happened.

 

So I take it you have a link to........

By all mean back up your assertion that Kennedy didn't double troops in Vietnam in 1961 and 1962.

 

dude can you even read? I said you cant believe what the NET tells you,it has all kinds of disinformation in it.especially wiki.I already told you if you ask for the name of that video and those two books I have,I will give it you,your not asking for them.

again JFK wanted out of Vietnam, a war handed to him by Eisenhower and the French. He was going to get it too.if you did any serious research,you would know that the ARRB-assassination records review boards,a subcommitte of people congress and Bill Clinton appointed, were assigned with gathering all documents from the kennedy administration and through the freedom of information act,they discovered what many reseachers suspected for years but did not have proof of till now to boast about that they were correct that Kennedy drew up a plan to withdraw ALL military personal by 1965 and that two days after his assassination,lyndon johnson reversed his policy.

we know beyond a doubt through their efforts now that he was going to completely withdraw by 1965.you have been asleep at the wheel listening to what the NET tells you.

 

You said.....

Now your changing your story, which is it? If the above is now your assertion you should post a retraction of your previous statement as wrong.

Were the advisers armed? Did they ever engage the enemy in armed conflict?

 

Without a link to your assertion I can believe you much less, unless you can prove your assertion.

 

translation-I am too lazy to ask for the name of that book to read or that video cause I dont want to hear the truth.

well I hate doing this because as i said,the NET is not what people should use for sources because they can type in anything but here is a link to that book since thats what YOU use that shreads to death the fairy tale that Kennedy escualted the war and actually talks about that book which is based on DOCUMENTS of kennedys policys and his publuic talks.anybody who has done any serious research,knows everything listed here is the absolute truth.here it is.so much for the fairy tales that Kennedy esculated the war.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6274

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Hell, my dad was still just a little kid so I wasn't even a twinkle in his eye.

 

We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle. No one has been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand."

—Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, quoted by United Press International, November 5, 1969



you now realise how moronic your posts always are dont you?

according to YOUR logic,the Police Chief of the dallas police force back then was a wacky conspiracy theorist and the house select committe on assassinaions in the 1970's whom even said the warren commission was wrong,that there was a probable conspiracy,according to YOU,they are wacky conspiracy theorists and you arent? time for you to face the truth that the truth scares you.

for all the people in the not know,the reason Curry changed his story in 1967 after saying oswald was the lone assassin in 1963 was independent investigaters who asked him about that,they have said that Curry was under pressure from his superiours and J Edgar Hoover to tell the media that oswald was the lone assassin.so naturally he was afraid of the power from Hoover and his superiours back then to go against the propaganda of the media and government.

 

still more on Curry.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcurryJ.htm

I guess according to people like margot,Curry was a wacky conspiracy theorist.lol.

 

wow this post is so ignorant its not even funny.I would hardly call having an approval rating at 60% in the tank. Not only does that book of Kaisers detail it,but usa today does as well.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

and heat to break your heart but The CIA lied to kennedy from the very beginning about their invasion plans.the way they had the plan drawn out it and did not tell kennedy the facts of it all,the plan never had a chance to succeed.Thats why kennedy fired CIA director allen dulles after that and Richard Bissel.Thank god for the bay of pigs disaster because he then stopped listening to the people in the military for their advise and instead started listening to his close aides and Bobby during the cuban missile crisis otherwise we would have been an a nuclear war and would not be here now.Thats why you should be grateful Kennedy was president and not Nixon.Nixon said he would have gone in there and bombed them like the military wanted JFK to do.

oh and I proved it was IKE that created vietnam.again as that link proves,Kennedy had no interest in vietnam.Kennedy only sent in ADVISORS,not combat troops.thats all documented.and the civil rights only got started because of Kennedys actions.hate to break you r heart but with a 60% approval rating at that time,he would easily have been reelected.and you cant even get the name right,Herbert Hoover was president of the united states,j edgar hoover was head of the FBI. you really dont go by facts obviously.oh and when cronkite was interviewing kennedy in sept 63,on that news channel,it displays casualtys in vietnam.82. thats hardly esculating the war since the grand total when it ended was 58,000. JOHNSON escualted the war.

 

that describes all the people that have come on here saying JFK esculated the war and got us into it,or that he was the one that blundered in the bay of pigs disater after the CIA lied to him on EVERYTHING they said needed to be done at the very beginning,or their moronic ramblings that oswald was the lone assassin.

 

What does his death have to do with it. If he was most beloved why didn't that just follow us around. BECAUSE times and people change. You can't make your assertion with complete confidence. What i would have most wanted was for America to be feared. Not to have sand kicked in our faces because of the naivete and sheer boneheadedness of 'the one'.

 

really? 60% at the time of his assassination? thats hardly being unpopular. incompetent? what,did you like having Johnson in there who was the REAL president that esculated it? or i guess you would have preferred having Dick Nixon get elected which he himself said he would have done what the military wanted JFK to do,invade cuba and bomb them? Nixon said he would have done that which by the way,none of us would be here now since he would have started a nuclear war.

Kennedy after the bay of pigs disaster could have done what presidents almost always do,which is have a plausible deniability and say I had no idea what was going on,I wasnt aware of what was happening.Instead he stood up there in fornt of everybody and told the american people he screwed up.That he did not realise what was going on and would do something about it.and what does he do? He turns around and fires CIA director allen dulles and second in command,richard bisself.This was UNPRECEDENTED!!!!! He wasnt doing what Ike and other presidents always did which again is issue deniability.He was trying to clean up our government and tried to get rid of the CIA and thats why they killed him.Get your facts straight.geez.

 

Thanks for being honest. But I already linked to Kennedy doubling the advisers. The question remains, were they advisers or armed soldiers? Did they ever engage the NVA in any firefights. Your evasion of the question tells me you already know the answer is yes on both counts.

 

No they did not.Yes you linked that he doubled advisors.But thats all he did was send in ADVISORS.Never combat troops which MY link proves in spades.Thats something our corrupt school system and the media and government never tell us the truth about is when they say he tripled troops from 600 or so to almost 17,000 by the end of his term,they were just ALL ADVISORS so they never engaged in firefights with the NVA.I havent evaded anything.My link proves beyond a doubt that Kennedy never engaged in combat the three yeas he was president.here again is that link.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6274

 

matter of fact in that book of David Kaisers-"Kennedy,Johnson and the origins of the vietnam war." He documents and proves that Eisenhower was the one who initially got us into the vietnam war and that Kennedy from day one,resisted the militarys recommendations to bomb the NVA and never did so.Like i said,if you look at that speech on tape that Kennedy gave to walter kronkite talking about vietnam in sept 1963,it shows in plain black and white at the time-casualtys 82.

I have that tape at home.Its an actual interview. what the media failed to tell the american public was that was not from NVA firefights,that was from landmines and NVA snipers,mostly landmines.so since there were only 82 casualtys in kennedys three years while president,where with Johnson,the casultys were SEVERAL "thousands" thats utter b.s that Kennedy esculated the war.americans have just been brainwashed by the lies and propaganda of the our corrupt school system and the government,cause as I said before,even on that documentary that PBS did which reported the facts of vietnam,even THEY said that Kennedy never sent in combat troops.again that PBS special only reported the facts,it had no ax to grind.

 

I don't know that. I don't know enough about JFK but I know why the USA gets dissed. Harboring terrorists, terror, torture, wmd, I can go on. The USA seems to think they can continuously break their own laws and attack a country in attempts to advance and educate them. This is the duty of each country in itself. If you wish to aid in the development of democracy take a hold of the pen and drop the gun. Go in as missionaries, build schools, do the good things we do without the guns...It doesn't make sense to invade a country and results in economic failure all over the place. It also results in a loss of freedom for the whole world.

Manipulate the language as these people do to justify thier mass murder and genocide. JFK was arrogant against his enemies. He flapped his lips a bit. His followers need to be gifted in speech and anger management. The enemy we face is very wordy. If you haven't notices a war is now an occupation. The United States army is just another corporation. Our enemy is justified in whatever it does now that we are out of bounds with guns.

 

Kaisers book is based on documents unearthed from the kennedy,johnson and eisenhower administrations recovered from the national archives in washington dc and actual speechs Kennedy gave so the proof is in the pudding that Kennedy did not follow the plans for vietnam that he inherited from Eisenhower to esculate the war.Matter of fact Kennedys aides said that Eisenhower when he met with Kennedy a few times,encouraged him to bomb the NVA which Kennedy resisted.Eisenhower made speeches as well that Kennedy should not let commuism take over that country and should bomb the NVA a few times as well and JFK never followed through on it.From day one,he resisted Eisenhowers war policys and never had an interest in war in vietnam or the recommendations of the military and was much more concerned with domestic issues like the space program and civil rights.as i said many times,it was no secret back then amongst the military either that Kennedy was going to have a complete withdrawal from ALL military personal by 1965.it was all over the front pages of the militarys newspaper STARS AND STRIPES saying-Kennedy to withdraw from military by 1965.

 

so we not only have proof that Kennedy form day one had no interest in a war in vietnam only sending advisors,never combat troops,but its also a well known fact that his adies told him as well that he was going to completely withdraw from vietnam by 1965.its all public record.its also public record from the documents discovered from the national archives that he was going to completely withdraw from vietnam by 1965 in one of his memos he signed two months before his assassination.Then 2 days after the assassination,Johnson signed memo#273 with REVERSED kennedys policy and ESCULATED the war with the gulf of tonkin incident in feb 1965 i believe was the date where the media lied to the american people saying that the NVA fired a torpedo at their boat and they had to return fire.Even the commander of that ship has now come out and said that was a lie,that THEY fired at the NVA "FIRST" and provoked the NVA to fire on them.Johnson contined the policys that Eisenhower drew up to esculate the war that Kennedy resisted once he got into office.

 

Finally last thing I am going to say on the topic is that when the movie JFK came out,I stopped listening to what the corporate controlled media told me and what our corrupt school system tells us and instead started looking at ALTERNATIVE NEWS SOURCES that dont suppresss the truth.once I did that and found out that Eisenhower was the one who initially first got us into vietnam,I was talking to my barber about it saying to him back then- I always thought it was kennedy who got us into the vietnam war because thats what I was taught in school but it was actually Eisenhower who initially got us into the vietnam war.He had lost a brother in vietnam so he himself did some homework on the vietnam war seeking the truth on what we were really doing over there and I remember him saying to me back then-Oh Yeah,I always knew it was Eisenhower who got us into vietnam.Yeah war mongrel Eisenhower,he was the one that got us there into vietnam. see they always leave out in our corrupt school system and in most documentarys,that one PBS special being the exception I own,telling americans that while Kennedy tripled troops from 600 to 18,000 by 1963,that they were only advisors and that he resisted combat recommedations from the military and had no interest in war there.they always convinetly leave out that little detail.

 

Okay I know i said i wasnt going to say anything more on this topic but so many people dont know are true history that I had to mention this.while true that Missiles were already in place and provoked the russians to put missles in cuba,it did not happen under Kennedy,when kennedy was elected,they were ALREADY THERE.They had been placed there during The Eisenhower administration and it appears that the russians did not discover them till a year later when Kennedy was in office.Thats actually are true history which needs to be rewritten.