Official: Marines in Afghanistan video identified, expected to face charges

Rules against desecrating the body. "In 1907, the Hague Convention said that after every engagement, the combatants should take steps to protect the dead against "pillage." The first Geneva Convention in 1949 addressed preventing the dead from "being despoiled."

Here is the article itself.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/full/370?opendocument

 

understood very much, but if you want to talk about winning hearts and minds that will never happen, too many news outlets that either hate the military or are too left wing to allow such a thing. our troops could be on their best behavior, never miss a mark and totally respect the enemies dead, yet some will still take it upon themselves to bash our military.

which leads me to another point, our military only follows orders of where to go, who to fight and when to fight or shoot for that matter. why do our troops get all the blame when every action is pretty much coming from none other than the White House? Bush was blamed for everything during his time, but now Obama is not blamed for (*)(*)(*)(*) gone wrong?

my point being is the media is more dangerous to winning hearts and minds than our troops could ever be, and the sad thing is most of the bashing media comes from this country bashing the troops. its pretty disgusting if you ask me.

 

Are you sure they were not just cleaning them up to be buried.

 

I understand all that very clearly and at the beginning I had said I wished they had not done that, but in the midst of a war, people are sometimes going to forget the code of ethics and do stupid things.......

In regards to your big question..... I take it you've never been in the military. There's no modesty and rarely any privacy, so for a man to see another man's 'peepee' is no biggie......

I had 2 bros in the USAF and a hunny in the Corps and they told me some pretty funny stories.........

 

The whole point is if yer going "native" do not have it filmed for heaven's sake.

Proudly served became totally disabled as a result of a service connected injury and I am still involved with both active military and veterans. Still if a man wanted to take a picture of my peepee I would look askance and ask if he wanted my autograph as well.

 

I am not sure of anything that is for their attorney to show the military tribunal.

 

The simple fact that these guys are even being punished is a disgrace.

 

The disgrace lies in the fact that they allowed themselves to be videoed. I understand pressure and that people do things they normally would not do. The US must do something here as this is in the international spotlight. It would be a disgrace if the US did nothing and let this situation fester because the boys could not keep it it in their pants.

 

Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) anymore?

The world hates us, the world is happy 9/11 took place, 60% of the globe doesn't even believe 9/11 was real that it was a plot by the CIA.

That is how out of touch with reality the globe is. That the majority of the planet could believe the USA and its Government is such a sick, twisted society that our own President and actors within our Government would conspire to kill 3,000 innocent Americans just some bull(*)(*)(*)(*) excuse to go to war "for profit" or "for oil" or for some other bull (*)(*)(*)(*) reason that has nothing to do with the actual reasons. As if the USA just engages in wars for petty reasons like that!

They pretend the UN didn't request the USA to engage in Gulf War I, or Somalia, or the former Yugoslavia or any of the other actions we took in the 90's which started this entire mess in the first place! "Blowback" The only reason there is "blowback" is because the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing globe wants the US there when their interests are threatened, but when our interests are threatened we're supposed to just back the (*)(*)(*)(*) off and let the globe do whatever it wants even if it hurts us.

The world treats us like (*)(*)(*)(*) and supports our enemies who kill our citizens in the most horrible atrocities and then tells us we need to just **** and take it up the ass like those wuss Europeans do. But when some dictator in North Africa goes apestuff on his own people who are they calling for bombs, guns, intelligence support and the only nation in the world capable of knocking out an advanced air defense network so their pissant, piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) little planes and wuss pilots don't get shot down??

THE USA.

 

Actually that was stupid.

Ok, we are together on that.

Punishing these marines is not what they need to do.

The US should do nothing, where was the rest of the world when US soldiers dead bodies were being drug behind trucks, when they were being hung from bridges. It was not a smart thing to do, but I say again War is Hell.

 

I see. It seems a lot of people here are of the persuasion that no morale should mean no morality. Or that, what with our higher level of civilization than the rest of the world, we should behave on the same moral level as the Taliban. Gee, now why don't agree with this type of reasoning?

Demeaning "liberals" for having a conscience just shows that you do not.

 

Have you ever spent time in a forward area?

Ever put another man's life in your hands, asked him to put yours in his.

 

Infact things like that happen in war,
but I wonder what would they say if they see american corpses outraged by talibans

 

You mean like when we saw US soldiers corpes being dragged through the streets or hanging from bridges.

 

yes, something like that, what did they say about that?

 

I want to give these guys a pass and say, hey easy on the peeing guys and let it go at that. However, the State Department and the Military need to resolve this in the eyes of the world. They need to make an example. Moreover, should they not do so, this will set the stage for those who will use this as an excuse to abuse or otherwise punish US military personnel.

 

I personally do not understand such behavior.

At the very least, the act was incredibly stupid, and appropriate disciplinary action should be taken. Equally, the person or persons responsible for uploading the video to the net (if military), should face disciplinary charges.

...personal opinion.

 

These Marines should be charged with Article 92, 93, and 134 of the UCMJ:
Art 92: Failure to obey a lawful order - They violated the Geneva convention, which the US military is held to.

Art 93: Cruelty or maltreatment - pretty straightforward here.

Art 134: General - this is the catch-all article. Basically it's the article that allows the commanding officer or military court to charge a defendant of of a crime that isn't explicitly stated elsewhere in the UCMJ.

They will be found guilty and at best they can hope for reduction in rank. Although I do see a dishonorable discharge in their futures...

That being said I have NO DOUBT that this sort of stuff happens all the time. These Marines were just stupid enough to videotape it. They knew this type of activity, however fun it may have been for them will land them in deep crap if they were to get caught.

 

I agree with this statement. Nevertheless, there are varying degrees of acceptable and unacceptable behavior in any given situation.

Urinating in a dead body is much different than dragging dead bodies through the street. Neither is right, but, there is a difference.

 

so, what did they say?
Did they say: "it' s war"?

 

Why, what was the resolve of US soldiers being drug through the streets?

What was the resolve of US soldiers being hung from bridges, what was that resolve.

The example is if you (*)(*)(*)(*) with us, this is what you get; pissed on.

Well how much worse can it get than being drug through the street or hung from a bridge or beheaded.

 

it' s not worse it' s war.
I agree with the 80% of americans.

 

Is this what you are referring to?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3585765.stm

The damage to the military, alone, for doing nothing is greater than the damage to the men who caused their own problems.

 

I misunderstood your position.

 

..........we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.