USAF general: China military buildup 'incredibly disturbing'...

Alright fair enough. What should've happened is you should say that there's more to what I said. I think that would've been better.

 

Then I guess it sucks to be you either way.

 

I have no idea what you are. Only what you claim to be. This is an anonymous forum...I dont know you.

Anecdotal evidence is often not accepted on here as fact precisely because it is impossible to verify. By contrast, when you post a poll or article, we can see the source and decide how trustworthy it is for ourselves.

 

Hope you enjoy your lower living standard then. For me? I plan to travel back to Asia or Europe, maybe live in Japan or France when I am done with my degrees here.

Better to threat than to actually bomb and kill and invade other nations.

Iraq and China had little to no relation during that time. Also with Taiwan, heh. That's why Hilary Clinton was criticized when she refused to bring up human rights issue when she was a diplomat right?

LOL

That's why we have a permanent base in Japan because we respect her sovereignty so much right? Same with Korea and many countries where we station our base.

If this is the only argument you can bring up, I feel sorry for you.

Uh.. we're weaker. Not stronger. We're not number 1 in anything except the amount of nukes and that's bad for all of us on this planet.

Actually they STILL want us out. And Iraq is not a democracy. http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20031031.htm The Iraq War and Contempt for Democracy

Yeah. Now I'm starting to be uncomfortable to be called American. Now I know why the whole world hates us. That's right, we're selfish bastards.

I was not part of the first 10-15 pages' discussion (for the most part). I popped in and commented on what I saw in-context. And for that, I will tell you, the same RAND report shows US loses to China in trying to defend Taiwan.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3774348&c=ASI&s=AIR

Majority of the air force and navy can be countered by the Chinese. In fact, not only that, the Chinese have additional left after all air force and navy have been exhausted. This is purely on numbers based on several military thoughts / writings.

But we wouldn't provoke them either. The American people alone would literally rise up and overthrow Washington. Just too dangerous and risky.

You're going to need them when they overrun US embassy in Taiwan and Japan.

Spoken from somebody who has never served.

That's why, for one example, China is developing air carriers. That's why, China has carrier killer missiles.

That's why China has the ability to shoot down US satellites. That's why, etcetc.

You think Chinese are stupid? Seriously? With time, economic strength, billion strong people, etc, China is on the way to take over US economically and militarily.

You really don't know the nuclear effects if you keep acting as if the Chinese are the only one who suffers. The Japanese themselves would kill any Americans on sight if you launched nukes on China. The fallout affects them too.

Too bad for the American people then.

Either way we lose.

That's just one, China didn't even have a rating back then. Going from nothing to AA- is impressive. Actually in fact, China's economy improving is not a problem for me, as in 20-30 years, that'll change according to Goldman Sachs.

Russia = democracy? They laugh at our democracy.

China is more powerful than India and I'd say more powerful than Russia by far.

For one - India's military officials has come out and admitted "we cannot beat China in the military".

Two - Russia and especially Israel (I don't know why US still works with her when she continues to stab her in the back) supplies China with tons of scientific and research development.

You would still lose even in defense of Taiwan.

Impossible, your people wouldn't even make it past the Chinese beach.

/facepalm

If you really think US is / has a democracy, I feel sorry for you.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBdk5n68gdM"]YouTube - ‪Noam Chomsky - America is NOT a Democracy‬‏[/ame]

What in the world are you talking about official interpreter. You keep bringing this up, I want you to be more specific. IF you are saying everything I say is "wrong" or "claims", then I am going to do just the same for you.

lol Wow, my photos on facebook mean nothing then. Same with my passport.

Not at all, I have links that says more than 50% of Taiwanese want independence.

Right now, I'm just trying to see how you present your case and so far I don't like it because you are not being honest.

You are posting to "win", not to actually learn that there are possibly other thoughts. You don't give people a chance to tell you why they are correct.

And when they do, you just say "nope, my poll is better" as you have done in the past few pages.

I don't know why but this is the internet, you and I for the most part are anonymous and I know you have better things to do than to try to win an argument.

And for me I need to study for my finals.

So I'm going to reply to a few more posts then be-gone. You can have the last say if you want.

 

In 15 years we will be buying our Aircraft Carriers from them...

 

Its already in th plans.The US has even sent US pilots to "TRY" be for they by SU-27s.


http://articles.courant.com/2010-08...aul-jackson-russian-helicopters-afghan-pilots


http://rt.com/usa/news/us-afghanistan-russian-helicopters/

 

Translation: "We want more money".

I'm gonna say no.

 

I am willing to take that risk. The alternatives are worse.

I am sure there are many people in China who envy your options. Maybe you can send them postcards (assuming they get past the PRC censors).

I doubt those subject to PRC threats agree it is better.

How many weapons have we sold to cities or states within Japan against the wishes of the Japanese government?

We are not selling weapons to China's "renegade province" with their consent.

Our bases are there entirely with their consent. By contrast, we didnt ask PRC permission to sell weapons to Taiwan.

Who has better Fighters than us? Who has more carriers than us? Who has better stealth technology than us?

So what? How does that change what I just said?

911 led to LESS totalitarian control in the middle east, not more. And that is good for us.

By definition it is. Iraq's government has been freely elected.

Um...how is that not a democracy?

There's the door.

Do you ever read your own links?

Are you aware that it is not 2020? That report is basically an estimate on a future date. They are not talking about 2011 or 2012. And even then, that is assuming we do not adapt our military in the meantime.

How?

Why would we need to? All we want (officially) is the status quo. And the status quo is defacto independence.

No they wouldnt. That is retarded.

Let me guess...you are a general as well? How many other titles would you like?

Let me know when they have made even one. We have 12 Nimitz class carriers alone.

We have more, and we have missile defense systems as well.

We can do the same to them. BFD.

No, I think they are inferior militarily. Inferior is not worthless.

And they always will be. Thats my point.

They will suffer more than us. That is why nukes are a deterrent.

Source?

Or are you projecting your personal opinion as if it is objective fact again?

Not if the alternatives are worse.

If you are not using Standard and Poor, what are you using? Link please.

Not as impressive as AAA.

Even if our credit is downgraded, we will still be ahead of China.

More opinion. Technically, they are a democracy.

heh, they wish. Russia's stealth technology is decades in advance of China's...the bulk of China's military is basically Russia's cast offs. And Russia's navy is certainly superior by a wide margin.

See? Even you agree with me. China is entirely dependent on Russia for its technology, and Russia does not give them it's best stuff.

What would stop us?

We are a democracy by definition. Would you like me to link to it?

Because you keep presuming to speak for the PRC and Taiwan.

Correct. I could make an identical facebook page and attach it to my profile on here.

 

At least you admit that you are willing to take the risk.

Heh, my step-mother sends us packages / mails / etc all the time and us to them.

Everybody I know in Taiwan hates America so it's a different scene there. You should travel and see for yourself.

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/02/07/japanese-govt-weary-of-billions-spent-subsidizing-us-forces/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...rotest-Tokyo-U-S-military-presence-Japan.html

Japan? Hell no. South Korea? Same deal. I'll post that too if you like.

Russia, China. Carriers are the only thing I can give you points for. China will be catching up and plans to build multiple of what US already have.

Stealth = LOL
Completely theoretical. "Oops, we didn't know it was stealth." Remember that a while ago?

In theory and in name, but in practice, there's too much corruption / lobbying / etc. Very little of people's actual votes and say get considered.

Don't worry, majority of the best scientists in US plan to return back home. You can start prosecuting all of us and call all of us traitors as you have done to many scientists in the past.

Of course and I make consideration and think about long-term, unlike you, short-term / immediate.

This is 2011, we're going to be 2012 and before you know it, 2020. Time flies.

And yes, we won't be able to because we have been cutting down on military program anyway. We have no MONEY. These F22 didn't just drop into our lap. We spent MONEY. Money we don't have. Money we keep borrowing from China for.

Name a single technology US air or navy has and there is a counter for.
Nukes does not count because it's a lose-lose situation.

That's why businesses continue to flourish between China and Taiwan and that's why I (and any other Taiwanese with a passport) can travel back and forth freely right? That's why my dad just got married and we bought a house in China as Taiwanese very easily right? We did so just not too long ago too!

Independence and from what you imply, you make it sound like Taiwan is very hostile to China.

Then you would be surprised how many Americans think differently from you. Many Americans are sick and tired of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, sick and tired of being unemployed, etc.

No I have never served because I am deaf but my entire family have served. And they all think US military = "LOL yeah, you bought it".

I love how you think America can have these and that's all they need forever.
You know, it's a big world out there and a changing world. China is on the rise and starting to build her first while you're still saying "nope, I don't see any". Couple of years later you'll be saying "nope, only one, no big deal".

What the hell is wrong with you?

I'll play the same game. OPINION. You think they are inferior. I think US military = inferior. Your personnel have no discipline. Raping women, killing innocents, trigger happy, etc.

They always will be ... taking over US? Uh, they just surpassed Britain, Japan, etc. What more do you want? Just last few years you would be saying "beat Japan first then come back". What more do you want? You are the kind of people that say "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist". This is really retarded debating with you.

OPINION. Americans have more to lose than the Chinese, apparently.

I actually have sources on how much the average Japanese dislike the Americans. But go on, disregard other people's argument.

From the very beginning you could've asked nicely for source and I've provided quite a few to begin with.

Just your OPINION on what you think is worse or not.

No big deal. China will catch up.

Yeah let's disregard academics, professionals, etc.

That's why Russia and other military professionals have said that Chinese military is the representative of the East while America of the West (implying equality in military strength).

Uh, providing some scientific and research development is somehow entirely dependent on the nation for ... wait I don't even.

What in the world, how did you get that I said entirely dependent?!???

It's like you live in your own little world where everything is going your way.

Whatever you're smoking, pass some to me.

$$$ You couldn't even start the war with China, haha.

I can do just the same. We are not a democracy. We sing "under the Republic".

""I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.""

This is our pledge. Where does it say democracy?

In the same way you speak for America's military when many of my friends are trying to transfer out of the tour in Korea and rather do duty elsewhere like Germany.

Okay. So webcam, pictures, facebook all mean nothing to you.

AWESOME. You don't let facts dictate your reality. Amazing.

 

If China invades America ,Behind every pot plant will be a Mexican Cartel member with an SKS .

 

AAAAHAHAHA!

Thank you! Thank you!

 

China could never even get their troops to shore, let alone invade America.

 

Theyre gonna need the best military in the world if they actually expect to foreclose on America....

 

If things are like the Movie "The Postman" here who will stop them .

 

If things in America are like the postman then you can be sure things would be similar in China.

 

If you live in one of communities that makes up the apparently minority who want reunification, then that makes sense.

I have seen other Taiwanese on this forum before who do not express the same views you do, and who contradict your claims. So unless you have some 3rd party evidence, I cant take your claims seriously.

Um...your sources do not say that we are there against the will of their government. Only that some protesters are pissed off about it. A few thousand protestors are HARDLY representative of a nation of 128 million. Sorry.

Yes, lets see your evidence for Korea as well.

What, specifically, do those fighters do that is better? What is better about their carriers? Does China even HAVE any carriers?

Since you have failed to provide any evidence that China is capable of locking weapons on stealth aircraft, I have to agree it is LOL.

According to who? That sounds suspiciously like an opinion you are attempting to project as an objective fact.

According to who?

I know it is probably pointless to ask this but I will ask it anyway...do you have any specific examples or is it yet another baseless claim you are making?

How have you betrayed us? You are free to leave if you want to. No one is forcing you to stay here.

Frankly, I am confused as to why you are even here if you think it sucks so much.

...and draw your own biased conclusions with no objective evidence. yeah, I got that.

The point of using 3rd party sources is to show that your claim is not merely your own opinion.

Well, when it is actually 2020, your source might be relevant.

So explain our AAA credit rating...why are people still lending us money if they dont think we will be able to pay it back?

Stealth.

Show me your evidence that China has a way to lock onto stealth aircraft with weapons.

If everything is as great as you say, why does China care about reunification at all? Why does Taiwan even WANT weapons from us if everything is so awesome with China?

I'm not the one who wants to buy weapons...they are. They didnt ask my opinion on this. They decided, by themselves, that they need these weapons.

And it is CHINA who was pissed off about it. Please, tell me, why on earth does China care if Taiwan gets weapons? They are all friends, right? The US certainly doesn't have a problem with Canada or Mexico getting weapons.

You were not even born here, by your own admission...I dont think you qualify as a superior authority on what Americans want.

Which is why they elected another President to continue waging those wars. And a Congress willing to fund them.

Uh huh.

Who said that? We are constantly building new weapons.

And even though China hasn't actually done it yet, that is not stopping you from making these grandiose predictions like some kind of end-time prophet. LOL

We have a saying in America: Talk is cheap.

I know...why cant I just accept the biased claims of a random anonymous user on a political forum as fact? Whats wrong with me?

Yeah, I actually admit it is opinion. Novel idea eh?

Yet you cant seem to articulate why. Is it a secret?

Seems to be working so far. How often have we been invaded?

Yep. In 10 years and 30 years and 100 years.

How about surpassing the US?

You are actually GLOATING because a nation with 5 times the population of the US FINALLY passed up Japan, Britain ect?? LOL

China has five times our population and tons of resources...why are they not already ahead of us? There seems to be a big variable missing there.

So why arent you posting them?

I dont do anything nicely. I am an arrogant neocon (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). I prefer adversarial debates, because I think they are more productive. I am not here to make friends.

Not just my opinion. I dont elect our leaders by myself.

Most of those academics and professionals agree with me. I did not write the dictionary.

"Democracy" and 'republic" are not mutually exclusive terms. We fit under both definitions.

It doesnt have to...we are both.

So? How does that change what I just said?

Oh the irony.

It didnt stop us with Iraq.

Not on an anonymous forum, no. You have no actual evidence that you are that person. I could find a random page on facebook and claim it is me, or even create my own from scratch and fill it with fake pictures.

No, I am afraid that if you want to convince people on here you will have to rely on logic or evidence...credentials are not going to cut it.

 

Not if it's a Communist/Capitalist hybrid success like the left says ...

 

Lions and Tigers and bears oh my. we can't cut the military budget, Oh My.

 

Great!

We should spend more on military!

 

Travis is back!

 

They have Timeouts & Semi-Permabans here too ?//

 

Nah, he just has a life.

 

Uncle Ferd says dey doin' it sneaky - like a Chinaman...

How China is advancing its military reach
17 January 2012 - In recent months China's airforce and navy have rolled out new hardware

 

Isnt their army already like 2million men? What the *uck!

 

wow,proposed slashes to the defense department and allegations China should be feared coincide. Amazing.